A look at what's going on in Trinidad, on H Street, and in the larger area north of Capitol Hill.
Friday, August 24, 2007
Singles Moratorium in Effective 10/1
The H Street singles moratorium begins October 1st. Get more info/share your thoughts on Tommy Wells' blog.
16 comments:
Anonymous
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Yea!! Does anyone know how many places this affects? I know Family (?) liquor store is on the 700 block. The place I go on the southeast corner of 11th and H already doesn't sell singles. How many places are affected?
No, it covers H Street from the 700 block to through the 1400 block. It also covers some places just off H Street (but only those within 6A). This will impact either 3 or 4 existing businesses. all other existing businesses had already signed voluntary agreements agreeing not to sell singles.
Yes, unfortunately for those that live on the west end of H, ANC6C did not take part in the promotion of the singles ban. Apparently, the negotiation of the singles ban for ANC6A took nearly 2 years and during that time ANC6C did not foresee the potential for increased unsavory activity around the only H street liquor store left selling singles…3rd & H.
I am very happy to see the moratorium go into effect for ANC6A and hope that this area of our neighborhood sees improvement with less trash, public urination and other disagreeable activity. Job well done for all those involved in the promotion of the moratorium.
It will be quite interesting to see what happens at our fair corner of 3rd & H.
Lest we forge3t, there are some stores north of H Street on the eastern end that are outside the ban area, so I wouldn't expect the crowds to all migrate west. But this will be an interesting experiment.
We just moved to 11th and H and are excited about this moratorium. Since we moved in last month my wife and I have had the pleasure of witnessing three people urinating on our new house.
Is there anything one can do to report these people? A buddy who lives on Florida Ave started photographing the non-potty trained offenders on his cell phone and emailing them to the police since they were "exposing themselves in public," a much more serious offense. I have no faith the DC police will do anything, but at least these people will get the point that they have been photographed and aren't welcome to urinate on our property anymore.
Nothing MPD can do about that, Anonymous, unless they actually catch the offender in the act. I live along one of the most heavily trafficked alleys near 8th and H, and we've been doing all kinds of things over the past two years to try to discourage people from relieving themselves against our building.
Best results so far? Running a length of garden hose down the alley and poking holes all along the length. This creates a whole lot of spray that discourages people from stopping to do their business in our alley.
Like the previous anonymous poster, I am also a new resident at 11th and H (Union Square condos) and so far I've witnessed one guy taking a dump behind our neighbor's garage with no apparent worry of repercussions, and an abundance of paper bags and 22 oz. beers. I cannot wait for this moratorium...
A moratorium is not going to be a panacea, but if vagrants can't easily access their booze, they are less likely to be in the neighborhood, and thus will be relieving themselves elsewhere.
As one who regularly patronizes bars and clubs, I can honestly say I have not used the surrounding neighborhoods to defecate. I suspect your average bar patron is more likely to have access to and make use of an indoor toilet than one who purchases 22 oz. beers individually.
yeah, it's a pretty easy distinction, people. bars have restroom facilities for patrons. therefore, bar patrons are more likely to use a proper toilet for numbers 1 and 2.
liquor stores do not have restroom facilities for patrons and do not provide a place for patrons to consume beverages. therefore, liquor store patrons are more likely to get their drink on and piss in public (and dump because alchohol doesn't exactly improve one's judgment when it comes to stuff like this).
they want ANYTHING to try and *solve* the H Street problems.
i don't blame them. heck, i'd grasp at straws too, and expect the best.
fact is, H Street has such a long history of folks taking advantage of no one giving a sh*t, that it'll be hard to turn it around.
the moratorium is one step in the right direction, but as someone mentioned earlier, it's no panacea.
time will tell how this works out.
i live on the western end of H Street, and am waiting to see how this affects us. there's a liquor store on 3rd and H that sells singles. LOTS of them. i've seen it often, when i go to buy one of the two types of cabernet sauvignon that they sell behind bullet proof windows.
16 comments:
Yea!! Does anyone know how many places this affects? I know Family (?) liquor store is on the 700 block. The place I go on the southeast corner of 11th and H already doesn't sell singles. How many places are affected?
I looked at the DCR online and it says "on H Street" not "from the 700 to 1400 block of H Street". ANy chance this covers the whole of H in NE?
No, it covers H Street from the 700 block to through the 1400 block. It also covers some places just off H Street (but only those within 6A). This will impact either 3 or 4 existing businesses. all other existing businesses had already signed voluntary agreements agreeing not to sell singles.
Thanks for the clarification!
Yes, unfortunately for those that live on the west end of H, ANC6C did not take part in the promotion of the singles ban. Apparently, the negotiation of the singles ban for ANC6A took nearly 2 years and during that time ANC6C did not foresee the potential for increased unsavory activity around the only H street liquor store left selling singles…3rd & H.
I am very happy to see the moratorium go into effect for ANC6A and hope that this area of our neighborhood sees improvement with less trash, public urination and other disagreeable activity. Job well done for all those involved in the promotion of the moratorium.
It will be quite interesting to see what happens at our fair corner of 3rd & H.
Lest we forge3t, there are some stores north of H Street on the eastern end that are outside the ban area, so I wouldn't expect the crowds to all migrate west. But this will be an interesting experiment.
We just moved to 11th and H and are excited about this moratorium. Since we moved in last month my wife and I have had the pleasure of witnessing three people urinating on our new house.
Is there anything one can do to report these people? A buddy who lives on Florida Ave started photographing the non-potty trained offenders on his cell phone and emailing them to the police since they were "exposing themselves in public," a much more serious offense. I have no faith the DC police will do anything, but at least these people will get the point that they have been photographed and aren't welcome to urinate on our property anymore.
Nothing MPD can do about that, Anonymous, unless they actually catch the offender in the act. I live along one of the most heavily trafficked alleys near 8th and H, and we've been doing all kinds of things over the past two years to try to discourage people from relieving themselves against our building.
Best results so far? Running a length of garden hose down the alley and poking holes all along the length. This creates a whole lot of spray that discourages people from stopping to do their business in our alley.
Like the previous anonymous poster, I am also a new resident at 11th and H (Union Square condos) and so far I've witnessed one guy taking a dump behind our neighbor's garage with no apparent worry of repercussions, and an abundance of paper bags and 22 oz. beers. I cannot wait for this moratorium...
yeah, cuz the moratorium is gonna stop people from taking a dump in your alley.
not.
A moratorium is not going to be a panacea, but if vagrants can't easily access their booze, they are less likely to be in the neighborhood, and thus will be relieving themselves elsewhere.
Now you just have the drunks going home from all the new bars to worry about. Maybe their dumps will smell better?
As one who regularly patronizes bars and clubs, I can honestly say I have not used the surrounding neighborhoods to defecate. I suspect your average bar patron is more likely to have access to and make use of an indoor toilet than one who purchases 22 oz. beers individually.
yeah, it's a pretty easy distinction, people. bars have restroom facilities for patrons. therefore, bar patrons are more likely to use a proper toilet for numbers 1 and 2.
liquor stores do not have restroom facilities for patrons and do not provide a place for patrons to consume beverages. therefore, liquor store patrons are more likely to get their drink on and piss in public (and dump because alchohol doesn't exactly improve one's judgment when it comes to stuff like this).
why is that only a few of us get this???
cuz only a few of us get this.
pretty simple.
but i dig what other folks are saying.
they want ANYTHING to try and *solve* the H Street problems.
i don't blame them. heck, i'd grasp at straws too, and expect the best.
fact is, H Street has such a long history of folks taking advantage of no one giving a sh*t, that it'll be hard to turn it around.
the moratorium is one step in the right direction, but as someone mentioned earlier, it's no panacea.
time will tell how this works out.
i live on the western end of H Street, and am waiting to see how this affects us. there's a liquor store on 3rd and H that sells singles. LOTS of them. i've seen it often, when i go to buy one of the two types of cabernet sauvignon that they sell behind bullet proof windows.
it's an experiment.
time will tell how this all works out...
Phew! For a minute, I thought the moratorium was on single people! :-)
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