tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post1763951212097683783..comments2024-02-14T06:26:09.116-05:00Comments on Frozen Tropics: Washington Informer: H Street Revitalization Hits a SnagUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-15896213831293375332011-03-23T12:04:42.281-04:002011-03-23T12:04:42.281-04:00Anon 11:45
Are you kidding about the "charge...Anon 11:45<br /><br />Are you kidding about the "charge $10 to attend" the meeting idea? Talk about a way to marginalize the less fortunate members of the community...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-82891973855938671312011-03-22T21:10:45.680-04:002011-03-22T21:10:45.680-04:00if there was a meeting, people couldn't hide b...if there was a meeting, people couldn't hide behind that anonymous tag. anybody happen to read the city paper article confessions of a black gentrifier?<br />tonyt<br />the pugAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-86009868713832297412011-03-22T11:45:55.289-04:002011-03-22T11:45:55.289-04:00I think Frozen Tropic should host a quarterly &quo...I think Frozen Tropic should host a quarterly "State of H Street" discussion. Charge $10 admission and allow us all to collectively gather to voice our concerns as well as making demands on our city government. This would also be a great way to get everyone involved..ps..do I need to say that I'm black since race is so important on here?" lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-37100912769048614842011-03-22T09:45:23.968-04:002011-03-22T09:45:23.968-04:00When is the next "meeting" of this group...When is the next "meeting" of this group??? Does anyone know??? If so, I say lets show up and find out what is going on..take names and then go from therereally pissednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-13088981505821538722011-03-21T08:59:48.482-04:002011-03-21T08:59:48.482-04:00Hegel:
Why all the hostility toward me personally...Hegel:<br /><br />Why all the hostility toward me personally?<br /><br />Is that helpful?<br /><br />"interns are gentry too.. they come from the middle class, they went to college, they will be well-off in the immediate future. they have WAY MORE in common with white property owners than the working class black people of DC. to say otherwise is to, once again, obfuscate the issue."<br /><br />Actually, I have been an intern.<br /><br />And I was from the economic underclass. <br /><br />My father literally picked up trash by the side of the road for the county to put food on the table.<br /><br />Us kids took paper routes and helped neighbors with chores so that we could eat just a little bit better.<br /><br />I'm not sure how many people would consider this the privileged class.<br /><br />As for 'this neighborhood', call me simplistic but I consider all of DC to be my neighborhood.TheHillmanDChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429119650130214863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-21547721625332269182011-03-20T22:48:06.098-04:002011-03-20T22:48:06.098-04:00What needs to happen is that voices need to be rai...What needs to happen is that voices need to be raised. HSMS is governed by a board of directors. It's perhaps the time to throw down the gauntlet, and say enough is flat out enough. The pie can not expand if it's restricted by either race, class, gender or any other political red herrings. <br /><br />In the end HSMS must be responsive to outside pressure, and frankly for the sake of the commercial and residential community we need to raise "Shell No" style hell and compel them to change the leadership of HSMS. Imagine what a true partnership would look like if HSMS was governed by a board and lead by a leader that was true to the Historic Main Street mission.<br /><br />How much farther could this all be, how much for beautiful, how big could the pie be. <br /><br />H Street can not continue to be straight jacketed by race. <br /><br />"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." President Obama<br /><br /><br />Tell HSMS the time for change is now, call them, call the Council, call the Mayor's Office, call the National Trust for Historic Preservation, and call Congress.<br /><br />Perhaps a picket line is in need of...<br /><br />H Street doesn't stand for Hamstrung Street.<br /><br />We need futurists not firebrands.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17510980802379906040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-25785020641793025182011-03-20T20:34:46.187-04:002011-03-20T20:34:46.187-04:00One thing I've learned from reading the commen...One thing I've learned from reading the comments on this blog for these few years: race issues are NEVER resolved through posting anonymously.<br /><br />Personally, I'm disappointed that "socio-economic" wasn't used and instead it went to painting broader strokes with "class" and "race" being different and such. No bueno.8th and Elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14415324379814837820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-9621967843285273502011-03-20T15:17:37.224-04:002011-03-20T15:17:37.224-04:00"only middle class, not the poor people are w..."only middle class, not the poor people are worried about crime"<br /><br />no one said this either.<br />you guys just looking for a fight or something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-38137362749940550382011-03-20T15:14:36.315-04:002011-03-20T15:14:36.315-04:00TheHillmanDC said...
"All white people i...TheHillmanDC said...<br /><br /> "All white people in DC are gentrifiers?"<br /><br />no one said this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-89085433202697578522011-03-20T12:33:14.083-04:002011-03-20T12:33:14.083-04:00it says "this neighborghood" hillman.
t...it says "this neighborghood" hillman.<br /><br />there are always exceptions -- i saw a white crackhead in Chinatown yesterday -- but to use these to deny what is patently obvious is "obtuse" (look it up!). you are using it to deny a clear demographic truth. you are covering up more than you are explaining, and you are using your exceptions to try to prevent people from making explanations that actually contain more truth than statements like "my black neighbors never call rich black people gentrifiers," which get a free pass from you because they support the side that advantages you, i.e. denies that structural racism and gentrification are linked.<br /><br /><br />interns are gentry too.. they come from the middle class, they went to college, they will be well-off in the immediate future. they have WAY MORE in common with white property owners than the working class black people of DC. to say otherwise is to, once again, obfuscate the issue.<br /><br />blaming people for their class position is beside the point -- you have a nice staffer job (probably because you were an intern once, right?), you buy a house that will appreciate in value, who can blame you for using the advantages you were born with and accrued to benefit yourself? but when you deny the reality of history that you are a part of, that affects everything you do, that makes your property speculation, your nice job, your police protection possible, THAT is when you cross the line into divisive and immoral behavior. <br /><br />i wish i saw more honest soul-searching about how to bridge these gaps and make a neighborhood that is fair and safe for everyone than privileged people finding new ways to wash their hands of these issues and claim "to the victor, the spoils." but feel free to tell everyone how you were born in a trailer and pulled yourself up by your bootstraps so of course no one should expect you to have any consideration for people who are really struggling from a bad economy, a lack of jobs, a failing social system, and YES overt racism. after all, it's about making you sleep better at night, right?hegelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-54109701886128429632011-03-20T12:03:26.943-04:002011-03-20T12:03:26.943-04:00All white people in DC are gentrifiers?
Really? ...All white people in DC are gentrifiers?<br /><br />Really? I can point you to countless white interns, low level workers, and others living paycheck to paycheck in DC. Shoved three to a room in a crappy group house. Eating Ramen Pride three times a day.<br /><br />I can also point you to a fair number of retired white people on fixed incomes in DC. Living pretty modest lives.TheHillmanDChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429119650130214863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-45332950816338818102011-03-20T11:43:53.227-04:002011-03-20T11:43:53.227-04:00We'll leave aside some of your grosser general...We'll leave aside some of your grosser generalizations (only middle class, not the poor people are worried about crime -- stupid because poor people are WAY more likely to be victims; you not overhearing people talk about a certain topic means they don't talk about it) to show you prove my point. <br /><br />Complaining about white people is complaining about gentrification because all white people in this neighborhood are gentrifiers (maybe excluding the deaf college kids). <br /><br />Complaining about "litter" and loitering" is a way of complaining about poor people, who are ALWAYS black in this city -- there are NO poor white kids in DC. We know that middle class people litter and loiter, but when people on these comments complain about it, call them "uncivilized," etc., it's obvious who they are talking about.<br /><br />Just because there are some black middle-class people doesn't make the rest of this untrue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-9135977141444810952011-03-20T11:01:15.462-04:002011-03-20T11:01:15.462-04:00anon 10:31,
not really. but when black folk compl...anon 10:31,<br /><br />not really. but when black folk complain about gentrification in dc, they are almost nearly always complaining about white folk. and when white folk complain about crime and loitering and litter, they are almost always complaining about black people.<br /><br />despite the fact that there are black gentrifiers, i never hear my neighbors complaining about them. its white folk that get blamed. and unless lots of rich latinos or asians start to totally change the fabric our our neighborhood, it will always be that. <br /><br />until poor white kids grow up in this city with a loss of hope about their future, complaints about crime will always be about black kids/teenagers. <br /><br /><br />there are other class issues in this city though. look at georgetown university vs the neighborhood of georgetown. <br />look at crime in the black community vs the older middle class trying to fight it.<br /><br />there are many issues to look at, so to say "always" is false.grainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-91044477744027764552011-03-20T10:31:04.343-04:002011-03-20T10:31:04.343-04:00Don't be obtuse, people. Class issues in DC ar...Don't be obtuse, people. Class issues in DC are ALWAYS race issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-71143700202700097552011-03-19T18:24:58.964-04:002011-03-19T18:24:58.964-04:00The race-baiting is so much better in NYC.
Actual...The race-baiting is so much better in NYC.<br /><br />Actually, no. I think there's actually a lot more of it here in DC.<br /><br />But let's call it what it is. It isn't just race-baiting.<br /><br />It's racism. Pure and simple.<br /><br />Just because this time around its from blacks aimed at whites doesn't make it any less offensive.TheHillmanDChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429119650130214863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-61007310547479635542011-03-19T13:55:54.474-04:002011-03-19T13:55:54.474-04:00Great comments, Robby.
And, to the gay white mal...Great comments, Robby. <br /><br />And, to the gay white male business owner: I don't know what demographic you are looking for, but quit your bitching and race-baiting if in fact you may just need to change your business model.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-60871760655715380182011-03-19T11:02:02.011-04:002011-03-19T11:02:02.011-04:00Usually people from new york claim they have bette...Usually people from new york claim they have better pizza, now we are venturing into new territory where they claim their apples are better dc's oranges. Is there anything that can't be compared between the two citiesDave Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-88473532842637051532011-03-19T08:51:12.723-04:002011-03-19T08:51:12.723-04:00I believe all the Main Street projects get both gr...I believe all the Main Street projects get both grants and actual DC budget funds.<br /><br />That would include H St Main Street.<br /><br />I do believe Mr. Saleem owes the community an explanation. If he was misquoted he needs to emphatically say so and call out the divisiveness and idiocy of this article. If not, he needs to step down and let someone less hateful and unnecessarily divisive take over.<br /><br />The one fun part? Tommy Wells apparently called Mr. Saleem out a bit at this community meeting, where Saleem was claiming that H Street was being blighted by government policy but also that H St Main Sreet was personally responsible for bring over 100 new businesses to H Street.<br /><br />100 new businesses aren't exactly signs of blight.<br /><br />Unless of course you don't like the color of the skin of the new business owners and patrons. <br /><br />I'd also like to point out that one reason some businesses on H don't do well is their hours. Not only do they close by 5 pm, but often they don't keep their posted hours. That may have been acceptable business practice years ago, but people are a little more demanding these days. Call me crazy, but if I schlep my fat butt to H Street to go to a store I expect it to be open to match the hours posted or the hours store employees have told me they are open.TheHillmanDChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429119650130214863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-68717400883051812612011-03-19T06:48:06.970-04:002011-03-19T06:48:06.970-04:00Are they still saying the streetcars will begin ru...Are they still saying the streetcars will begin running in about a year?<br /><br />If so, what is going to happen at the west end of the street? Right now the tracks just stop cold with no way for the cars to switch tracks. At the pace they have been working it seems like it will take a lot longer than a year to get the tracks under the bridge.charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17012080465386456217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-55950908365590353342011-03-19T05:39:05.199-04:002011-03-19T05:39:05.199-04:00Yep they are doing a ton of work but less than a m...Yep they are doing a ton of work but less than a month after they finish the job, one of the utility companies will be out there tearing up the new road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-237746431615963212011-03-18T23:49:37.230-04:002011-03-18T23:49:37.230-04:00@Anon 7:39 pm,
AFAIK, the street crews are on sch...@Anon 7:39 pm,<br /><br />AFAIK, the street crews are on schedule. If they are dragging their feet it would be according to their approved schedule-- see the ANC6A website, which posts their weekly progress reports.<br /><br />Everybody feels like the street construction is taking a long time, but they are doing a ton of work-- the sidewalks, utilities, access points, lights, streetcar line, etc. in addition to the new tarmac. It is just an enormous, enormous job, that they seem to be doing right-- creating a true 21st century street, rather than a facade the covers up outdated infrastructure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-63598152914540067362011-03-18T19:42:26.124-04:002011-03-18T19:42:26.124-04:00I agree with robby 100 percent. Robby you da man!I agree with robby 100 percent. Robby you da man!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-33136332293874533012011-03-18T19:39:07.112-04:002011-03-18T19:39:07.112-04:00I don't subscribe to the race-baiting (fyi Anw...I don't subscribe to the race-baiting (fyi Anwar: gentrification is a class issue). <br /><br />At some point someone needs to question the construction crew in charge of the "revitalization." They are the only ones making money at this point, by dragging on the work. I moved here from NYC and no street project took even a fraction of the time this construction crew is taking working on H Street. What's the deal? Its unbelievable! This is where everyone's anger (or at least some of the anger) should be directed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-61733915021593551952011-03-18T19:35:43.733-04:002011-03-18T19:35:43.733-04:00Marc Borbeley left the H Street Main Street board ...Marc Borbeley left the H Street Main Street board several years ago. <br /><br />Shouldn't there be available tax statements later than 2008? I know that a lot more people work on the H Street Festival than Anwar. Is there ever any accounting of the funds from that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8835710.post-68507227342053588462011-03-18T16:12:28.535-04:002011-03-18T16:12:28.535-04:00Inked:
You are right.
Sometimes I get my useless...Inked:<br /><br />You are right.<br /><br />Sometimes I get my useless and/or counterproductive taxpayer-funded groups mixed up.TheHillmanDChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429119650130214863noreply@blogger.com