Yeah, I don't know about that. When I came home last night at about 9:30, an alley letting out onto West Virginia between Morse & Florida was taped off, and there were cones at the intersection of Morse & West Virginia. The area was patrolled by a lone policeman, riding in circles on his bike. I was not, shall we say, filled with confidence at the effectiveness of the roadblock.
I'm sure violent crime in Trinidad will remain low as long as the cops are doing this - but obviously they aren't going to keep this up all summer. Once the police are gone, these losers are going to go back to killing each other over whatever stupid beefs they have.
The only way crime is going to go down is by these criminals being removed from the community - either by self-extermination or by the justice system locking them up for each and every transgression to keep them off the streets.
I read a piece in the Washingtonian about how rare it is for someone who is caught with a handgun in DC to have have anything than a slap on the wrist - if that changed we certainly wouldn't have as many of these people running around.
yeah, ok, aclu dude in the article. if the cops had let the ice cream truck through with no questioning, you would have been screaming bloody murder. the quote would have been something like - "some checkpoint! all you had to do was drive up with ice cream and the cops would have waived you right through. i mean, ice cream."
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
from the article: "Our analysis is different from theirs," said Johnny Barnes, executive director of the ACLU's Washington office. "We think most people were turned away."
He said it became a joke among his workers when they saw police stop an ice cream truck. It was eventually let through.
"It's an ice cream truck," Barnes said. "I mean, ice cream."
Carrying a handgun without a permit is a misdemeaner. You might want to ask Phil Mendelson about gun possession charges. If you drive around with a gun lying in the back seat, Mr.Phil Good doesn't think that you should be charged with gun possession.Ask him to move to Trinidad.
I don't mind the road block initiative, however it would have been nice if the residents were told how to enter the neighborhood after 8:00 pm. It took me an extra 10 minutes to find an open street. This is just another fine example of poor planning on the part of District Police.
It would be nice if the police manning the checkpoints actually knew the neighborhood. I was at the intersection of Montello and Morse trying to get to my house (and in a hurry to go to the bathroom), and the police officer said I had to go over to 10th street to get through. HUH???? It was clear that he did not know the lay of the land.
If I am going to be told I can't go to my own house... it would be nice if I was told by someone who actually knew the neighborhood.
I feel mixed about the checkpoints. If I knew they were looking for some people in particular and this helps in getting those people, then fine. Or if they are looking for particular people who have information about the murder that have been committed, then fine. But if it is just a general shake down - I don't get it.
However, it was nice to feel safe walking down the street last week-end!
(Not trying to make a point -- I really don't know ...) How many homicides were there the weekend before the roadblocks? And how many homicides were there this last weekend after the roadblocks?
The last few days have seen an increase in MD & VA cars stopping in our area, picking up someone driving off then returning that someone a few minutes later. We live between FL & H ...they may have all made alternate arrangements for their drug buys. Police also need to come through these areas on a more frequent basis since they have seemed to block off the Trinidad area. I know for me I do not want the gun play back again that we used to have a few years back. I also agree to let them shoot each other to death and then we can live in peace.
I am all for putting the thugs in an oven...we dont have to turn it off just lock the door and forget about them. In a day or two these barbaric animals will have all killed eachother
john, if that fact about the ice cream truck is so well known please do share it with mpd. perhaps the next time that truck rolls through the hood, mpd can "find" a busted tail light or something and conduct a search. i have a feeling an ice cream truck selling stuff other than ice cream (perhaps something illegal, as you seem to suggest) would not be rolling through a known police road block on a daily basis. care to expand?
The ice cream truck as drug-mart is well known by MPD...lord knows I've certainly complained enough times about it.
Additionally, I don't think that we can logically conclude that 100% of cars traveling through the checkpoint knew about it in advance, simply because the checkpoint was well publicized.
there are two major forms of possession under the law: actual possession and constructive possession
actual possession: gun is found on your person or officer observes you with contraband on your person (e.g. if they see you throw the gun out your car window, an officer could convincingly testify that he/she saw you in possession of the contraband, then it's up to the jury to pick someone to believe)
constructive possession: the contraband is 'within your control', defined in various ways depending on jurisdiction, but generally considered to include the entire interior of a vehicle, e.g. front seat, back seat, etc
under the latter, anyone in the car can be charged with constructive possession for a handgun found in the vehicle a group was riding in...this raises some troubling points, namely when the driver had no idea his/her passengers were packing heat and the driver is charged
I'm not sure of the exact criminal statute in DC off the top of my head (I don't do criminal law), but there is a very reasonable explanation as to why mendelson would oppose constructive possession as the law in DC, if indeed it is not...
i seriously doubt you could beat a possession charge if you were sitting in the car ALONE and the gun was on the back seat...I'd really have to see a court transcript on that to believe it...I suppose an argument could be made that the driver had no idea a gun was on their backseat, but I don't see many juries going for that...someone give me some evidence of this 'back seat gun and you walk free' phenom
about people saying 'let the thugs kill each other':
please think before you comment on this blog. this is not the wild, wild west. no thinking adult should advocate that people openly shoot at each other on public streets where children, grandmothers, working people, etc live.
my god. just when i thought people were getting more cultured...
Anon 936, I don't know Soul Searcher personally, but I do know Robby quite well. I can tell you that he not only is very far from being any sort of apologist for drug dealers, corruption, or thugs, but he does actively work to improve his neighborhood.
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Yeah, I don't know about that. When I came home last night at about 9:30, an alley letting out onto West Virginia between Morse & Florida was taped off, and there were cones at the intersection of Morse & West Virginia. The area was patrolled by a lone policeman, riding in circles on his bike. I was not, shall we say, filled with confidence at the effectiveness of the roadblock.
I'm sure violent crime in Trinidad will remain low as long as the cops are doing this - but obviously they aren't going to keep this up all summer. Once the police are gone, these losers are going to go back to killing each other over whatever stupid beefs they have.
The only way crime is going to go down is by these criminals being removed from the community - either by self-extermination or by the justice system locking them up for each and every transgression to keep them off the streets.
I read a piece in the Washingtonian about how rare it is for someone who is caught with a handgun in DC to have have anything than a slap on the wrist - if that changed we certainly wouldn't have as many of these people running around.
yeah, ok, aclu dude in the article. if the cops had let the ice cream truck through with no questioning, you would have been screaming bloody murder. the quote would have been something like - "some checkpoint! all you had to do was drive up with ice cream and the cops would have waived you right through. i mean, ice cream."
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
from the article:
"Our analysis is different from theirs," said Johnny Barnes, executive director of the ACLU's Washington office. "We think most people were turned away."
He said it became a joke among his workers when they saw police stop an ice cream truck. It was eventually let through.
"It's an ice cream truck," Barnes said. "I mean, ice cream."
Trinidad Ave @ Fla was blocked last night when I came home. So I went one block down and threaded my way through the neighborhood.
Carrying a handgun without a permit is a misdemeaner. You might want to ask Phil Mendelson about gun possession charges. If you drive around with a gun lying in the back seat, Mr.Phil Good doesn't think that you should be charged with gun possession.Ask him to move to Trinidad.
I don't mind the road block initiative, however it would have been nice if the residents were told how to enter the neighborhood after 8:00 pm. It took me an extra 10 minutes to find an open street. This is just another fine example of poor planning on the part of District Police.
Even a sign or some arrows would have helped.
I feel mixed about the checkpoints.
It would be nice if the police manning the checkpoints actually knew the neighborhood. I was at the intersection of Montello and Morse trying to get to my house (and in a hurry to go to the bathroom), and the police officer said I had to go over to 10th street to get through. HUH???? It was clear that he did not know the lay of the land.
If I am going to be told I can't go to my own house... it would be nice if I was told by someone who actually knew the neighborhood.
I feel mixed about the checkpoints. If I knew they were looking for some people in particular and this helps in getting those people, then fine. Or if they are looking for particular people who have information about the murder that have been committed, then fine. But if it is just a general shake down - I don't get it.
However, it was nice to feel safe walking down the street last week-end!
Oh the trade offs!
-A
Police are giving free booster shots? Are they quaified to do such a thing?
I say let the thugs kill all of the other thugs that way once they are done we cal all live in peace
the dc plebes and thugs know the ins and outs.
that's why we have so much crime in our area.
they know how to get around stupid ANNOUNCED "RANDOM" roabdblocks.
it took our neighborhood almost a year to get rid of heroid dealers, squatting in a vacant house in the alley.
even then, they were just chased away a few blocks down to another vacant house.
the laws need to change. cops are really just babysitters, slapping the wrists of felons and looking for a "big bust" so they can get promoted.
it's a joke.
not that i know what the answer is... but this is not it.
*this* is smoke and mirrors.
residents may think it's great, felons think it's fun.
not fun for me...
(Not trying to make a point -- I really don't know ...) How many homicides were there the weekend before the roadblocks? And how many homicides were there this last weekend after the roadblocks?
I wonder what the crime rate was in Nazi Germany.
I'm with anon 9:11-- Let all the thugs kill each other off and then we can all live in piece.
Oh, you don't like that idea?
Then the people that witness the crimes and/or the people who know the criminals need to step and start talking.
I was so annoyed yesterday--I saw a woman wearing a t-shirt with a big STOP sign on it that read "STOP SNITCHIN"
I want to make my own t-shirt that reads "Then QUIT BITCHEN when your 'baby' gets killed."
The last few days have seen an increase in MD & VA cars stopping in our area, picking up someone driving off then returning that someone a few minutes later. We live between FL & H ...they may have all made alternate arrangements for their drug buys. Police also need to come through these areas on a more frequent basis since they have seemed to block off the Trinidad area. I know for me I do not want the gun play back again that we used to have a few years back.
I also agree to let them shoot each other to death and then we can live in peace.
I wonder what the crime rate was in Nazi Germany.
Duuuude! You are soo totally right! Just like Nazi Germany...
What with the rounding up the minority groups, and shipping them off to the ovens, and the brown shirted thugs killing dissenters in the streets.
Or something...
Ok, this thread is over. Godwin's Law
I am all for putting the thugs in an oven...we dont have to turn it off just lock the door and forget about them. In a day or two these barbaric animals will have all killed eachother
Re: Ice Cream Truck
It seems to be the conventional wisdom that this particular ice cream truck sells a lot more than just ice cream.
I, for one, am glad it was turned away.
john, if that fact about the ice cream truck is so well known please do share it with mpd. perhaps the next time that truck rolls through the hood, mpd can "find" a busted tail light or something and conduct a search. i have a feeling an ice cream truck selling stuff other than ice cream (perhaps something illegal, as you seem to suggest) would not be rolling through a known police road block on a daily basis. care to expand?
The ice cream truck as drug-mart is well known by MPD...lord knows I've certainly complained enough times about it.
Additionally, I don't think that we can logically conclude that 100% of cars traveling through the checkpoint knew about it in advance, simply because the checkpoint was well publicized.
about the gun possession issue:
there are two major forms of possession under the law: actual possession and constructive possession
actual possession: gun is found on your person or officer observes you with contraband on your person (e.g. if they see you throw the gun out your car window, an officer could convincingly testify that he/she saw you in possession of the contraband, then it's up to the jury to pick someone to believe)
constructive possession: the contraband is 'within your control', defined in various ways depending on jurisdiction, but generally considered to include the entire interior of a vehicle, e.g. front seat, back seat, etc
under the latter, anyone in the car can be charged with constructive possession for a handgun found in the vehicle a group was riding in...this raises some troubling points, namely when the driver had no idea his/her passengers were packing heat and the driver is charged
I'm not sure of the exact criminal statute in DC off the top of my head (I don't do criminal law), but there is a very reasonable explanation as to why mendelson would oppose constructive possession as the law in DC, if indeed it is not...
i seriously doubt you could beat a possession charge if you were sitting in the car ALONE and the gun was on the back seat...I'd really have to see a court transcript on that to believe it...I suppose an argument could be made that the driver had no idea a gun was on their backseat, but I don't see many juries going for that...someone give me some evidence of this 'back seat gun and you walk free' phenom
about people saying 'let the thugs kill each other':
please think before you comment on this blog. this is not the wild, wild west. no thinking adult should advocate that people openly shoot at each other on public streets where children, grandmothers, working people, etc live.
my god. just when i thought people were getting more cultured...
soul searcher
what is the difference in letting them kill themselves so we can all be happy??????
Right now they are still killing eachother with gandmothers and children in the street...
I am still down to what one poster said and moving them to a deserted island like the British did with their thugs...
Reason this neighborhood has not changed is people like Soul Searcher and Robby.
Blame others, stick up for the thugs, complain about police road blocks, play the race card, defend corrupt polotitions, etc.
These types are the reason for the status quo
Anon 936,
I don't know Soul Searcher personally, but I do know Robby quite well. I can tell you that he not only is very far from being any sort of apologist for drug dealers, corruption, or thugs, but he does actively work to improve his neighborhood.
what is a polotition?
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