A message from the Chef at Liquid-
Hello, and thanks to everyone for your interest, concerns and or your support. I would first like to say I do understand the miss-conception that some may have with the lounge/restaurant concept. Most ultra lounges across the nation are done very tastefully and we will be no exception. Because we have not met and talked with many of you, and some other establishments may not have represented the lounge /restaurant concept for what its worth I feel it will be in the best interest to all, to give all who would like an opportunity to discuss our concept and our future plans. Unfortunately I will be out of town until the 2nd or 3rd of November. Upon my return I will set up a meet and greet at Sova. Please feel free to email me with any questions at cheffoots@aol.com
Sincerely, Shawn Lightfoot
62 comments:
This is a good idea. Kudos to Mr. Lightfoot for soliciting community input.
100% agreed. I'm glad he's willing to address this idea of calling his establishment a "lounge/restaurant." Maybe if enough people express concern over the wording he will reconsider calling it a "lounge" or maybe I'm the only one he needs to convence during his SOVA meeting who has any concern.
Do you think he means "2nd or 3rd of December"?
Ugh...you again. Seriously, as long as he doesn't have the words "Hitler" or "Shit" in the title of his restaurant, why would anyone care what it's called?
Hello folks, I have returned from my trip to Ohio. In-laws needed assistance. Once I get scheduling commiments out of the way I will post a notice here. I hope all who want to meet with us can attend. Shawn Lightfoot-Liquid Lounge and Restaurant
I don't understand why people get so upset with the suggestion that Mr. Lightfoot CONSIDER another name for his establishment that didn't include calling it a lounge.
I could care less, Anon. 2:24, if it was called "Hitler's Shit Lounge", I just wouldn't go. But based on your own example, names have connotations as to whether people will come or not. Some people will have reservations based on preconceived notions about a "Lounge" coming to H St. others won't care. But if I were a business owner, or potential business owner, I would want to know if ANY potential customer thought that the name of my business might deter their coming BEFORE I ordered the sign! That's all. It seems that Mr. Lightfoot understands this by adressing it with his community outreach, I'm not sure why other's feel so threatened by a mere SUGGESTION - especially if Mr. Lightfoot doesn't seem to be!
Just for the record, if it was called Hitler's Shit Lounge, I would be a regular. My love of feces trumps my Jewish faith.
Since I like the idea of a hip lounge, count me among those who have no trouble with just about any name.
Well, I get the impression that he is calling this meeting so that he may allay the fears of people like you who have preconceived notions of what a "lounge" may be. He's probably read your numerous posts here and thinks "wow, lots of people in this neighborhood might have the wrong idea about what I'm trying to put forward" and now feels the need to defend himself. Even though I don't think anyone but you has an issue with this.
Your issue seemed to be that you were worried about what TYPE of business it was actually going to be based on his inclusion of the word "Lounge" in the title.
Now, if you've changed your tune to just wanting the chance to suggest an alternative name to a business HE'S already named and that HE is going to put his money and effort into, I'd say that's a bit presumptuous of you.
It's hard to TAKE seriously PEOPLE who seem to RANDOMLY capitalize words IN their POSTS.
Haven't you ever been on the internet before? That means I'm yelling at you.
and jello.
Let's play nice. The Chef is trying to interact with, and gain input from, his potential target audience. I think a meet and great is a great idea. I hope I can make it.
One thing I'll throw out there is that any business owner/manager/ect. takes a big leap of faith when they offer something for posting here. By no means do I believe that offering a posting here should be any kind of requirement. They can control the initial message they post, but not the response. In other words, people that do so are really putting themselves out there. I think that is worth noting.
Anyone else think it a little ridiculous that calling a nightspot a lounge in the next neighborhood over is chic, yet in ours it is a scandal? Never mind that there is a successful "lounge" in our neighborhood right now (Not that one. The one that sells Martinis, charges a cover on some nights, and barely sells any food)...
Look folks, not every place that comes to our neighborhood has to be the next big thing. Man, would I hate to be a business owner with a restaurant concept in this neighborhood. You're either need to be mentioned in the Post every week in the Food section, or you're a deviant supporting all that's wrong with DC.
Kudos to Chef Lightfoot for having the meet and greet, but it's absolutely unnecessary, IMHO
It was fun reading THE discussion here. But I'm NOT sure if I LIKE Jews or Jello more.
I'm all for increased business on H Street- whatever it's called. I long for the day when people stop asking if it's safe to walk the street alone at night.
What 8th and el said.
"Man, would I hate to be a business owner with a restaurant concept in this neighborhood."
Some investors are already avoiding H Street because of this very problem. We're quickly becoming the "Street that Says No".
Jews or Jello?
Why not both? As long as it's hot Jewish army personnel in semi-nude jello wrestling, we're all happy.
Yes We Can have it all.
hillman if that is true, how sad.most of H street is still boarded up,and the surrounding neighborhood is a ghetto. the "not on my street" is hard to fathom.
Ahh, my point exactly 8th & L. As you have just confirmed for me and Mr. Lightfoot:
"Anyone else think it a little ridiculous that calling a nightspot a lounge in the next neighborhood over is chic, yet in ours it is a scandal? Never mind that there is a successful "lounge" in our neighborhood right now (Not that one. The one that sells Martinis, charges a cover on some nights, and barely sells any food)..."
You too have completely focused on the word "lounge" and now ignored what Mr. Lightfoot is claiming to be promoting.... mainly his "restaurant". You have proven my point with the connotation of a "lounge". Does the Martini Lounge promote itself as a restaurant? Then why should a restaurant promote itself as also being a "lounge" - if it intends to primarily be a restaurnat?
I find it humerous that people find the discussion of lounge vs. restaurant a flippant disguise of racist elitism.
H St needs more "restaurants", not more "lounges" or even "restaurant-lounges." A restaurant will have a greater chance of success than a lounge, just look at Granville Moore's vs. XII. Thank you Mr. Lightfoot for participating in the community discusion (that's more than some do) and we look forward to meeting with you at SOVA.
Wow, I can't believe you think 8th & L's post actually validates your argument.
His point is that calling it a "lounge" vs. calling it a "restaurant" is irrelevant, as H Street Martini "Lounge" does just fine here, while XII, which bills itself as both a "restaurant AND lounge", has an empty upstairs on the few nights it is actually open.
Calling it a lounge or calling it a restaurant is irrelevant to how successful the business will be.
Lastly, I think the reason people assume that your "lounge" focus is actually disguised racism is because, honestly, if it's anything else, it doesn't really make sense.
I see "restaurant" and "lounge" as being mutually exclusive. The first primarily focuses on serving food to its patrons. The second primarily focuses on serving alcohol to its patrons. H Street needs more places that serve food, not alcohol.
Most ultra lounges across the nation are done very tastefully and we will be no exception.
I could be dead wrong, but are H Street denizens really the types to frequent this sort of place? It seems to me a swanky lounge with stainless steel décor, dim lighting, downtempo music, and bottle service wouldn't appeal to the clientelle that frequent Sticky Rice, the Hotel, Granville, Pug, and Argo.
10:24--
Again, your issue though is with the name rather than the nature of the business. Your previous posts indicate that you'd be happy if he simply called it "Liquid Restaurant" and didn't change a thing about his underlying business model. Which is, as I've said, ridiculous.
Further, if you have a problem with the business plan, or if you are like 10:35 and simply don't think this business model will be successful here, that's another issue but, again, not really one for you (either of you) to decide.
Ultimately, his success or failure will turn on his ability to draw patrons to his establishment and keep them coming back with a good product.
I appreciate Mr. Lightfoot deciding to introduce his business to the community at SOVA, but I really hope he doesn't feel that he needs to defend his decisions and is, rather, simply trying to get the neighborhood excited about what he feels will be a welcome addition to our area and help in its continued improvement.
Again, Anon. 10:23, now you too have validated my point:
"H Street Martini "Lounge" does just fine here, while XII, which bills itself as both a "restaurant AND lounge", has an empty upstairs on the few nights it is actually open."
Martini Lounge does do fine as it promotes itself solely as "a lounge". You yourself have now said, XII as a "restaurnat and lounge" is empty on many nights.
Thank you for strengthening my "racist" argument. Mr. Lightfoot should know that coming into our neighborhood the restaurants are doing much better than the restaurant-lounge concept (refer back to our example of XII). As a business owner about to invest in our neighborhood, don't you think this is something he would like to know and consider?
Sincerely,
The racist blogger
My attitude: let Lightfoot learn the hard way that H Street isn't lounge friendly.
10:46:
My only issue is that Lightfoot suggesting his self-described "ultra lounge" is a restaurant is disingenuous.
This anonymous character who keeps posting here is a caricature of everything wrong with this neighborhood right now. You do not speak for anyone but yourself, and you are far outside of propriety to assume you have any idea what any of the street's "clientele" would frequent. The more you post the more clear it becomes that you are the type that holds this community down. The marketplace will sort out who stays and who goes. So let anyone with and idea and some motivation come here and try to succeed. Allow the rest of us the opportunity to have a diversified array of places to visit without your interference.
I fully support Chef Lightfoot (or any business owner who is willing to put his/her money on the line for the improvement of empty storefronts) in his endeavor and look forward to patronizing it... Let's be a little more supportive and positive, guys :)
Thanks for addressing the community, Chef. Many don't do that unless required before the ANC.
Behind Napa said, "So let anyone with an idea and some motivation come here and try to succeed."
"Anyone"?? Isn't THAT the "type" that holds this community down? Do you mean the "Something's better than nothing" attitude?
To hell with more restaurants then, let's have more night clubs and lounges and "let the market place sort out who stays and who goes."
I think you have to contrast this with the "400 Live" issue to fully understand when this blog, serving as a substitute for an ANC meeting, does this neighborhood a service, versus a disservice.
400 Live's admitted business plan involved two things that almost always result in trouble, espeically in a neighborhood like ours: Go go music and allowing underage patrons while serving alcohol. The community responded on FT, often and with passion, by first questioning the validity of the business and, as the complaints and improprieities mounted, ultimately acting to shut that place down.
400 Live posed a threat, as it were, to the progress and stabilitiy of our neighborhood and we responded as such.
Now, you have the Liquid Lounge situation, where we are seeing some push-back on FT (although, honestly, I suspect it's the same anonomous poster over and over again) regarding whether H Street "needs" more lounges, or whether its disingenuous for Chef Lightfoot to call market his business as a restaurant but call it a lounge.
You are entitled to your view point, of course, but your point is not productive, makes little sense, and does nothing to benefit the neighborhood. Liquid Lounge calling itself a lounge but marketing itself as a restaurant is not a neighborhood concern.
Whatever he calls it, whatever he chooses to serve, whatever drinks he offers, whatever color tablecloths he purchases---these decisions are his to make and the success of his business will depened on if people patronize it or not.
My reason for challenging this type of argument on FT, is because, like it or not, FT is a frequently reviewed forum by business owners in the neighborhood, and if unchallenged, it may give business owners the impression that such views represent the majority of the community.
Anonymous,
Obviously within reason. We are discussing a new business seeking to open up as a restaurant or lounge or both. Then I say, go right ahead. Businesses that are very worthy are failing; ones that are clearly poorly run will eventually fall by the wayside. I fully believe that if a business model is solid, it will succeed. We have empty store fronts, and they can only get filled by functioning businesses. One business leads to another as we have seen, and who are we to stand in the way of progress. Just like your right to vote, your voice is heard in the form of patronage or not. If people don't go it will fail. But how can you believe no business is better than a functioning business? That a broken down building is better than a built out space? Keep trumpeting for the rejection of businesses you disapprove of, and we will continue to have empty storefronts up and down the street.
The perfect example is XII. I have never seen the place crowded and that speaks volumes. Isn’t it only a matter of time? Thanks for trying. But now someone with a good business model can come in and utilize the space. So I say choose your battles wisely…say no to Shell and yes to anything reasonable. But I guess that requires that you be reasonable, which seems less possible with every post.
Anon 10:11 et all,
I'm simply stating that the "lounge" concept works. If you need more examples (sigh. You don't get out much, do you?) I'll refer to Creme on U St, and Bodega in G-town. Both are food first establishments with great chefs that serve amazing light fare and a ton of drinks.
Let's also look into the names Liquid Lounge and Liquid Resturant. The former just sounds better. I am trying really hard to understand outsiders not understanding the resturant-lounge concept, but if you and others (I refuse to believe that there are that many people out there that share your opinions, but there you have it) are so dense as to read this blog, know that this establishment will serve food in the forefront with a relaxed atmosphere, and still decide that the name will deter you from patronizing, I think it's time to pack up and move to Fairfax, or some other suburb. I hear there are resturants a plenty out there.
I couldn't agree more with anon 11:54 and 8th and el.
I couldn't care less what it's called -- I only care if it's a cool place. Re: the analogy to Creme, I'd kill for something like Creme to come to H Street. If that's what "Lounge" means in this context, they can call it "Liquid Lounge Lounge Lounge Lounge LOUNGE LOUNGE LOUNGE!!!!!" and I'd be just as happy.
Hillman, can you elaborate on your "Street that Says No" comment? Who's indicated they're avoiding investing in H Street for that reason, and what was the context?
You do not speak for anyone but yourself, and you are far outside of propriety to assume you have any idea what any of the street's "clientele" would frequent.
Really? I have spent almost $25K looking at properties up and down H Street, trying to determine which one might be suitable for my business. I have been surveying the competitive landscape for a few years now, getting to know the people that might be interested in my product. I am not about to put down $500K of my own money on a gamble.
It's "Studio 400".
Anon- you've piqued my curiosity. What product?
Anon 1:45, we appreciate your interest in considering H St. for your business. Would you not want community input in whether a certain business model is proving to be successful or not? For example: Martini Lounge (successful), The Argonaut (successful), XII Restaurant& Lounge (apparently struggling). You are certainly welcome to put in another restaurant-lounge, but I thought you might want to know of some people's leeriness of having another restaurant-lounge, not to mention the current one seems to be sinking. Just thought you would want to know before investing $500K.
Also, GoGo Clubs didn't do well and some people might complain if you paint the inside of your restaurant orange. But it's your business and your money. Best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do on H. And welcome.
- Cynical
I am not at liberty to divulge my business plans, but community input has most certainly been a bit component of their formulation. I assure you it's not a lounge or go-go bar, either.
Ok, I'll bite. You supposedly have spent $25k Researching? Please explain the process. How have you been surveying? Cause you are the only one on here with this point of view. By the way, I am a double income household under 30 years old and my wife and I go out frequently. I would be willing to wager that whatever your product is...I would be part of your targeted clientele, and no one has surveyed me??? Furthermore, your research is most likely only applicable to your business idea; which is anonymously absent from the current landscape, right? I think you should ask for your $25k back.
You supposedly have spent $25k Researching? Please explain the process. How have you been surveying?
Here you go, cluebag.
Inspecting commericial properties often requires electricians, plumbers, and structural engineers. Designers and architects generate mockups and drawings based on what property is selected. Facilitators are used to expedite transactions with the DCRA. Lawyers are used throughout the process, especially to draw up preliminary lease agreements. Marketing firms are used to procure demographic data, which is sadly not easily accessible through public sources.
Cause you are the only one on here with this point of view.
In my experience there is great disparity between Frozen Tropics readers who vocalize their opinions and Frozen Tropics readers who lurk. Using the former to establish an "informed opinion" would be foolish.
Once again Anon 1:45/2:45, welcome to the neighborhood. As a potential business owner on H St, I hope you found my suggestions helpful about what seems to work and what seems to struggle concerning the perception of naming something a "lounge." If the suggestion seemed particularly racist to you, I certainly apologize and do not mean to offend by making observation about someone else's business plan.
As for "Behind Napa"'s questioning of your business plan, he seems way more cynical and uninviting than anyone's suggestions for what they might want to consider when naming their establishment. I'm just saying.
Again best of luck to you in your business plan and don't let the pettiness and cattiness so often found on this blog deter you from the neighborhood. Best thing you can do is have a neighborhood meet-n-greet or present before the ANC
So how does your research related to the integrity of buildings and the licensing process have any bearing, whatsoever, on the climate of the projected clientele you supposedly speak for? And knowing the demographic makeup of the area acquired through marketing firms, does that provide you with the insight to know what business names and models the specific neighborhood will reject? No sarcasm, honest question. I think you have played the role of conduit expert here as a defense to the statement that you have no “idea what any of the street's ‘clientele’ would frequent.” Personally I don’t buy it. But as to your second point regarding the disparity of opinion between the vocal and non-vocal…I don’t purport to know what those who don’t voice their opinion think. I will leave that type of presumption up to you.
Further to the lounge discussion, residents should be aware of this notice sent by ANC Commissioner Tony Richardson about an important ANC meeting tonight (11/12)
Another new lounge is on the agenda -
"401 H st - New Lounge
I extended an invitation to owner/operator Anthony Cornish to the next ANC Meeting. The meeting will be held on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 at 7pm at the Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts ave 20002. When I met with Mr. Cornish nearly two months ago he presented a plan to turn this location into a Jazz Bar/Lounge with music and dancing. In addition, there will be culinary classes taught in the basement of this location for at risk youth. I have received mixed reviews about this concept. I am requesting residents to attend the ANC meeting in order to hear the plans for this location."
Interested residents are enourgaged to attend.
Anon 3:08,
No one is questioning your anonymous counterpart's business plan; especially since he hasn't shared it. But my specific reasoning for posting is to speak out against the many posters on here that claim to speak for the neighborhood, when they so clearly do not. But you can feel free to kiss someone's rear end that is very outspoken about someone else's business plan while they supposedly have their own to work on.
Boy, "Behind Napa" is starting to get a little pissy regarding other people's opinions. So much for neighborly politeness.
I wonder if he and other's are going to have a similiar defence for this new H St. 400 Lounge as mentioned by Commissioner Richardson (Anon. 3:49)? Regardless of what people want to say, there is a connotation associated with the word "Lounge." I think that's all someone was trying to say.
- In Front of Napa
I hope the anonymous business person doesn't call me a cluebag should I patronize his or her future establisment. Or any kind of bag, really... What is a cluebag, anyway?
-some other anonymous commenter
i've been called much worse "mean word before bag" names.
So which connotation is it, anon 4:33? Is it the racial one, or the lounges don't serve food one? I think you know my opinion about both.
To the entrepreneur, welcome to the neighborhood. I see your plans are going swimmingly given you can't comment on them on a blog that converses about the neighborhood you plan to invest in. Good luck, and for goodness sakes, tell us the name, theme, color of the restaurant (all we need are sit down restaurants in this neighborhood, if you haven't heard. I'm sure you've come to this conclusion with $25K-I can't even write that without laughing! who writes that but a douchebag looking for attention- you have put together for research. Don't bother with anything else. Thanks), and design scheme for your sign before moving forward with anything. You don't know a blogger scorned can do your reputation.
So how does your research related to the integrity of buildings and the licensing process have any bearing, whatsoever, on the climate of the projected clientele you supposedly speak for?
The operational aspects of establishing a business can provide tremendous insight into the condition of the market, new entrants to the scene, and the business plans of others. All of which are tangible representations of clientele. It is all too common that someone doing electrical inspection at a potential property will say something like "Yeah, I was down in the 900-block last week with a guy thinking about opening a toy store".
And knowing the demographic makeup of the area acquired through marketing firms, does that provide you with the insight to know what business names and models the specific neighborhood will reject?
Demographic composition is a good means to refine a business concept but a poor means to commence a business concept. Observation, conversations, articles, and blogs are far better starting points.
I think you have played the role of conduit expert here as a defense to the statement that you have no “idea what any of the street's ‘clientele’ would frequent.”
And I think you are trying to deconstruct my statements as a means to validate what you perceive to be reality.
But as to your second point regarding the disparity of opinion between the vocal and non-vocal…I don’t purport to know what those who don’t voice their opinion think. I will leave that type of presumption up to you.
A couple dozen of my neighbors and friends regularly read Frozen Tropics but do not respond. It is not uncommon that their opinions are remarkably different than those rendered in the comments section. A good example: the 7-Eleven post. Those who responded in the comments section had reservations and on the whole seemed pessimistic, maybe even angry. Those on the street had reservations but on the whole seemed optimistic.
You don't know a blogger scorned can do your reputation.
I have no fear of you, almighty blogger. Especially when you have no street cred. Except in unusual cases (Drudge comes to mind), the two are inevitably married.
Wow. All this stemming from one person's early comment that Liquid's owner might want to reconsider calling his business a "Lounge." Now we have people discussing the validity (or not) of another reader's business plan (or lack of). Seems with the blog sparring this type of community discusion means its working.
Speaking of discussions, can anyone weigh in on last nights community presentation of the new lounge planned for the 400 Block of H St (formerly Studio 400) with the mentoring cooking program? Just curious how that went over.
Can we please get to Comment 69 already so I can make a relevant comment about Jewish military recruits and jello again? Please?
I support that goal, Hillman.
Here's what we learned at last night's ANC meeting about 401 H St NE-
-The proprietor, Anthony Cornish, spoke about his plan for a "fine dining establishment" on H St. You can find his proposed menu at -http://www.hloungedc.com/menu
-He envisions a three-story operation with a restaurant, bar and dancing on the upper levels and a "mentoring/training" facility in the basement.
-He does not have the license or agreement in place yet with the non-profit that plans to work from the basement
-The training facility will teach these youths skills such as “food preparation and bartending.”
-He noted his desire to have occupancy for 185 and hours that included closing at 2am on the weeknights and 3am on the weekends.
-He mentioned possible outdoor seating for 20
-He agreed to negotiate a voluntary agreement with the ANC after concerns from the community were raised. Those concerns included parking, security, noise, hours of operation, mixing a "mentoring/training facility" with a liquor license and inconsistencies with the H St overlay.
-He mentioned that he believed the liquor license would come first with the restaurant license (hopefully) coming later. Either way, he may open as a bar only first.
-This will be a CT (Tavern) license.
-He has an liquor license hearing on 1 Dec.
-He plans to open by the end of January (although it seems no build out has begun on the space).
-The ANC formally protested the liquor license in order to maintain their ability to negotiate a voluntary agreement and at the urging of citizens in attendance.
This seems like another scam. Why is it that all these people are trying to open up "Restraunt - Lounges" when the model we have (XII) is already failing? Makes no sense to me.
I am especially leary of ANY "youth mentoring" program that teaches young people bartendering skills! Give me a break.
- Another Concerned Citizen
Hmm am I in wonderland or what? Let's see 55 comment on to "lounge or not to lounge" Let'scome back to reality. XII restaurant- lounge failed not because of it name rather poor business planning.
Opening a Cluck-U chicken franchise on H st was not one of Bernard's better ideas. It was akin to opening a restaurant specializing in rice in China. Let see, there's Popeyes, Danny's Crown Fried Chicken to name three.
When I visited XII I had a chance to talk to Bernard and he said that one of the reasons that he decided to close Cluck-U that people wanted cheaper chicken wings from the Chinese-American carryouts. Go figure.
When He opened XI there wasn't a clear idea of what XII was supposed to be. There was also no stand out items on the menu that patrons would rave about or come back for-mussels and 50 kinds of beer at GM or tater tots and sushi at Sticky Rice. Now with this kind of business accumen is it any wonder that XI isn't doing so good.
Compare this with Martini Lounge. An original idea-60 kinds of martinis-and an established clientel.
Both of these businesses have lounge in the name. one successful the other not to much. The difference the success of one and not the other is not so much the name but the execution.
Debbie
Sorry
This is how the last paragraph should have read.
Both of these businesses have lounge in the name. One successful the other not so much. The difference in the success of one and not the other is not so much in the name but the execution.
Debbie
Still find it humorous that one person's suggestion that an owner reconsider calling his place a "lounge" based on the connotations of the word is attacked as passionately as the person several months ago who commented that she found the orange color in a Jamaican restaurant to be unappetizing. It's not as if these people are calling for an ordinance to ban orange restaurants or ban any other establishment that may call itself a "lounge." Some people on here take other people's opinions way too seriously. So that the point is clear - NO more orange lounges! Now time to move on.
Good luck Mr. Lighfoot with your restaurant, Liquid.
Anti-"Lounge" anon(s)--
I think you could lay a lot of this to rest if you simply filled us all in on just what "connotations" you think a "lounge" has. All you've ever said is "certain connotations" or you've pointed to the failure of XII to somehow support your position.
As to your latter point, it's been completely debunked by the XII vs. Martini Lounge point, ie, the name had nothing what so ever to do with success or failure. Nothing. What. So. Ever. It's busines plan, busines plan, business plan.
As to your former point, you've discounted cries of covert-racism, which is honestly the way I interpreted your initial comments, but you've said nothing specific about these supposedly negative connotations that "lounge" carries wtih it.
So don't find it humorous---if you don't clarify a perplexing position, that you insist on continuing to make, people are going to interpret them as they may and, you are going to get some push back.
and i still like jello.
will someone please address my needs? perhaps a jello lounge :)
Wow, you should take that act on the road! The continued non-sequitor jello references are absolutely killing here! Dane Cook, eat your heart out!
it looks like anti-lounge anon is getting touchy.
what do you have against jello anyhow??
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