Police responded to a call of a male with a gun around 8pm last night. The individual was reportedly in his late teens to early twenties. Multiple officers opened fire, and guy was killed. Not a lot of info available at this time, but last night was a hot night, and the crowd that gathered wasn't happy.
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On the one hand, it's sad anytime someone comes to a bad end. On the other hand, if you're running around my neighborhood holding a gun in your hand, I would hope that you have a non-trivial chance of being shot by the police.
(Full Disclosure: I was *not* one of those in the streets protesting this shooting.)
I am amazed at how ill prepared police and other public servants are at dealing with crisis. There are so many folks with mental health issues in DC along with drug issues. A guy with a gun is a real public threat. For him to be murdered by being shoot several times in the back doesn't sit well with me. The value of human life is undervalued. But what do I know. Death and violence is an unfortunate part of the social fabric.
The only thing I strongly disagree with in your comment is the use of the term "murder".
I'd like to hear how a more "well-prepared police" would handle the situation. Seems to me it's *very* easy to read a short blurb in the paper, apply a bunch of assumptions and prejudices, and second-guess the professionals.
Shooting an armed man running through a residential neighborhood is one of the *better* outcomes from this scenario.
Don't want to get shot dead by police? Don't carry a gun around in my neighborhood.
To all who commented..This was someone who my friends and I held dearly!! Everyone makes their own assumptions about certain situations but to no avail at the end of the day NO one has the ultimate saying of what is RIGHT OR WRONG..you DONT KNOW him YOU DONT KNOW why he had a gun..sometimes in some neighborhoods THE POLICE dont protect you so when the NEXT man is out to get you, who do you turn to. Im not saying carrying a gun is your only option. BUT as someone who knows him HE WAS NOT robbing anyone..he was not running into your houses and threatening your children, or plotting the next act of terrorism. If you lived where he lived and many of our families live you would need something to protect you and yours as well besides 911. There is no EXCUSE for this MAN to have been shot 9 TIMES in the BACK by park police, with no WARNING, NO CHANCE, and with the WEAPON not even in his hand!! Last time i checked gun possesion resulted in a heafty jail sentence not an EXECUTION...
This is not Grand Theft Auto. You don't get to carry a gun just because you've got a few enemies after you. This is the real world people - you will be shot if you're running through a neighborhood with a gun.
Yes it's unfortunate the man died. Shooting him in the legs would have been my first choice but that's probably hard to do when you're running away full speed through a dark alley.
I think it's a bit too early to start taking sides in whether or not this shooting was justified. So I'll not comment on that.
What I WILL say, to Anon 12:06, is that there simply is no legitimate reason for a person to be carrying a gun in our neighborhood. And he must have been doing so fairly brazenly for a resident to notice and call the police.
Whatever his reasons were (and the fact that he would even have to defend himself from "the Next man" or whatever that means, leads me to at least suspect this guy was probably caught up in something unsavory) I think it's beyond question that the police were appropriately called to the scene. What remains to be sorted out is if they acted within the bounds of the law.
To annonymous @ 12:24 dont believe the HYPE he DEF was not running through anyones dark alley..HE WASNT EVEN RUNNING dont listen to everything the news says unless you LIVE in that neighborhood and SAW with YOUR eyes what happened..and the fact that you even compared this and made light of it to grand theft auto was totally inappropriate..the comparison was not needed..we would have understood your comment without it..
To Annonymous 12:24 No. 2 Comment..no one was caught up in ANYTHING unsavory!! When you're out on your neighborhood corners and street and there are 90% chances that ANYONE can run up on you and rob you, or hurt you just for the HELL of it..that does not mean you were into anything "UNSAVORY.." but at the end of the day whether he had a gun or not whether it was RIGHT for him to have a gun or not..it was NOT RIGHT for them to KILL him..im not defending the gun..im defending his death..EVERYONE on her can comment and take sides as they please but you are really not going to hurt from this or understand where this standpoint is because simply put the victim was not your friend, your lover, your son, your brother, your uncle, or your nephew, when if it ever happens to one of your own GOD forbid..then im sure your comments would reflect..
This was someone who my friends and I held dearly!!
I'm sure this thread's going to turn into a bunch of idiots throwing mud in another hour or so, so before that, I just want to say, Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Nobody wants to hear any excuses why he was carrying a gun. It is wrong period and should not be taken lightly. What do you have when you have a bunch of people like him with the same mentality that they need to "look out for themselves?" You get a shitload of people carrying guns in Trinidad and before you know it all hell breaks loose.
You are taking the fact that he had a gun wayyyy too lightly.
Were you in the alley with them when he was gunned down?
So wheres the outrage on the streets when someone else from the neighborhood shoots another guy? Such a double standard.
right on anon 1:12!
Anon 1:11--I was just about to ask that same question.
It is really a problem that there is such a level of distrust and diconnect between the black community and the police. And it's certainly arguable that it runs both ways, don't get me wrong.
But only expressing outrage when a shooting is done by the police (and, let's be honest, even if it turns out to be totally justified, there will still be those calling for the jobs of those cops), coupled with the "stop snitching" mentality that makes it impossible for the police to solve crimes in black neighborhoods---just seems like a pretty damning cycle that one would assume the community would want to get out of.
And one primary way to do that would be to attempt to change the mindset expressed by the anon-friend of the victim here that it's okay for a young man to carry around an illegal handgun because he's worried about getting robbed and believes for some reason that the police can't help. That's just BS.
Hell, I have a good chance of getting robbed in this neighborhood but I try to mitigate that risk by thinking about the circumstances in which I place myself. And even then, I can't control every aspect of my safety. But I'm not carrying around a gun.
Lets not forget what happened in adams morgan last month when that dude pulled out his gun during a fight outside a bar. Two undercover cops flashed their badges and immediately the guy took off running. While in pursuit he fired at the cops hitting one of them.
To OBOE..I just want to say thank you..as I stated previousley its not about the GUN for me..its about the fact that this MAN is dead..
Its one thing when we kill one another as stated in the black community but..when we are killed by the LAW ENFORCEMENT that are supposed to protect and serve there is an issue..YES they were called to do their job..but I question their tactics last night..they are to MANTAIN order..not cause chaos..as others said if they felt so threatened by a GUN that was NOT even in his hand..why not shoot him in his leg or a thigh..y shoot to kill..
AND yes I WAS there..to that who questioned me EVERYONE WAS THERE..everyone was outside around Trinidad..it was hot out..it was a nice night..and everyone that was out SAW what happened..we saw a man who WAS NOT given the opportunity to turn himself over, who held NO WEAPON in his hand...and was murdered in front of family, friends, and children in COLD blood..THATS WHAT THE WHOLE TRINIDAD saw last night..
Im not JUSTIFYING it.Im not saying he should have had the gun PERIOD..I just dont want the world to think this young man was out here gang banging or just out to get someone...I WILL EMPHASIZE i dont sympathize with the fact he felt he had to carry a gun..but I understand his reasoning..because this is the reality that myself and so many others have been raised around...
I just want someone ANYONE to realize that another black MAN..lost his life last night..and had he even been given the chance to be locked up for the possession maybe that would have been his opportunity to change..who knows..but now no one will know because one of our loved ones has 9 bullet holes in his body and is laid up in a morgue..POINT BLANK..
I agree with Anon 1:12. Residents get outraged when the cops are trying to do their jobs in regards to a perceived threat to the community. Where is the outrage when neighborhood people kill each other? Or when people coming from Maryland come to cause trouble? Why arent neighbors out in the streets then?
I live in Trinidad and it is not ok to have a gun on the street period. Its breaking the law and someone on the street carrying a gun is perceived as a serious threat to others. Period. How are the police supposed to know that this man holding a gun in the street is only going to shoot if "someone runs up on him?"
Maybe if the consequences for carrying an illegal gun were stricter, we wouldnt have so bad of a problem. I'm not saying people with guns should be shot in the streets, but clearly the current consequences for getting caught carrying a gun are not enough of a deterant.
Its sad that this young man has lost his life, however I dont think we should have to live in fear of people on street corners with guns.
Anon 1:34 -
It is not "one thing when we kill each other" - that is a big problem too. I think its probably a bigger problem than the one we have with police. Its this type of mentality that will keep us in shackles. For real.
You said he didn't run? How did he end up from his car to the alley?
Well on the bright side of this whole mess it was nice to find out we've actually got feds in Trinidad now and extra funding for stabilizing the area. Hopefully the new help will clean the area up. Clearly they can't help themselves so maybe the feds can.
Trinidad Resident says:
To Anonymous- Shut the hell up. I live in Trinidad and I did not see nor hear any of this take place last night. So for you to sit here write "THATS WHAT THE WHOLE TRINIDAD saw last night.." is completely bs.
Another thing that is bs is that you are down playing the fact that this guy had a gun. You sound like a total fool.
Yes a life loss is not good in any situation, but I damn sure hope if I ever end up in a situation in Trinidad where I encounter someone with a gun, that he is the one killed and not me. Would be even better if he accidentally shoots himself, saving everyone the drama and backlash from idots like you.
And yes I am black, and I live in Trinidad...before anyone screams racist and all that other bs....
well said anon 2:28.
One less idiot with a gun off the streets.
Trinidad Resident says:
Oh and one last thing- Just as you claim the Police are suppose to be there to MAINTAIN order and not cause CHAOS-
We as citizens NEED to be following the LAWS: It is ILLEGAL to carry around a GUN.
So instead of being on this blog complaining about the police- turn to your other friends and advise them to follow the LAWS that citizens should abide by.
I live about 200 ft. from where it happened and didn't see it. Too, if it happened in the alley between Holbrook and Staples that makes it even less likely any one other than those involved saw it--it's dark and the few back patios that are used have high fences.
So, I think it's safe to say only a few people know what actually happened and perhaps only the police and suspect/victim.
I think it's highly dubious to claim a lot of people saw what really went down--who follows into an alley 4 plain clothes dudes chasing after another, some (all?) of whom were likely brandishing a weapon? Not very likely.
The police don't have the opportunity to chat up a running suspect with a gun to find out what his intentions are. If they think their life or someone else's is in immediate danger, they must shoot to kill in order to avoid other bloodshed.
A gun is deadly force. You cannot (and should not) "shoot to wound" because you could end up killing the person (like severing the femoral artery in the thigh). If you're just trying to wound a suspect then you should use some other method to do so.
Every killer also has family and loved ones. That doesn't exonerate you.
As oboe said "if you're running around my neighborhood holding a gun in your hand, I would hope that you have a non-trivial chance of being shot by the police."
i agree with mouse - the police don't know who the person running around with the gun is or what their intentions are. they just see someone with a deadly weapon. most of the time, when they see people with guns, they are using them.
when you are brandishing a gun, you run the risk of someone misinterpreting your intentions. that's on you.
especially if someone called the police about someone with a gun who they thought was dangerous. they are coming into a situation on high alert.
Just Saying:
"Well on the bright side of this whole mess it was nice to find out we've actually got feds in Trinidad now and extra funding for stabilizing the area. Hopefully the new help will clean the area up. Clearly they can't help themselves so maybe the feds can."
"One less idiot with a gun taken off the streets"
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....
I don't even know the victim or any of you for that matter but how ignorant can you be? The fact that we live in a time that people are so desensitized to violence and death is truly scary. I don't know the circumstances or whether this young man was right or wrong. What I do know is that violence as a means of resolution should never be applauded. How sad that any human being would breathe a sigh of relief at the shooting death of another individual...I mourn your reality!!! And shame on you for casting judgment on the slain based on minimal facts provided by the media...how naive can you be? My prayers are with the family and friends of the deceased. I pray that some form of closure is brought to the case and sanity to those who disrespect this man on these boards. How easy and cowardly to be disrespectful like this when you don't have to own up to your words with a picture or a name. You're shameful...it's so shameful
i'm not so sure that the people posting here are desensitized to violence. it's the thugs who are.
i can't speak for everyone but i think we are all tired of the violence. i've had 2 shootouts in front of my house and more behind it and we've only been here for a year and a half. yet i love my neighborhood because the majority of the time i interact with my wonderful neighbors.
i know all of the people involved in these shootouts have families and friends. but their lifestyles and choices are putting themselves, their families and many other people - including me and my family - in serious danger.
i think that is why there is little sympathy for people casually carrying around a gun in a neighborhood that has had much violence.
granted, we don't know all the details, but we are all jumping to conclusions based on our own experiences of the violence in our neighborhoods. assuming that the young black male with a gun is up to no good. this may or may not be true of course.
i am not excusing callous or insensitive comments, but i think a lot of people are reacting out of frustration.
While I don't have enough information to weigh in on the specific situation at hand, I can say that it is an impossible request to ask law enforcement officers to "shoot him in the leg" or the hand or other scenarios.
Law enforcement are taught to shoot for the central mass; anything else is just something you see in movies.
I pray for the man who was killed, his family, and for the officer. In my experience, I've never heard from an officer who described taking a life as anything but a nightmare, no matter what the situation.
This is a horrible event. First, to those that knew the man killed, I'm sorry for your loss. I'm confident that he this young man had many good points. Unfortunately the Park Police officers didn't get the chance to meet him. I'd ask you to imagine how you would feel if you were sitting on your porch enjoying the evening when you saw a man with a gun. You're sick and tired of crime and violence defining your neighborhood and you call 911. You're fortunate enough to have a group of law enforcement officers IN the neighborhood that respond. You've provided them with a description and location. The police encounter this man and then fail to pursue him. They just figure, "eh - he dropped the gun. No big deal. We'll just take this one. No way he would carry two - not possible."
I can tell you that I would be on the phone to every single number I could find until I tracked down who these officers were and filed complaints. I EXPECT police to go after those with guns.
To the issue of choosing to shoot him or not to shoot him; its horrible. I hope that no one thinks that these Park Police officers thought, "I really hope when I'm working Trinidad today I get to shoot someone." It just makes no sense. Law enforcement officers are dragged through the mud when the shoot someone. These officers entire lives are upended. Consider:
1. They are under criminal investigation for homicide. Some may think that's wonderful and other repulsed by the idea. But when ANYONE shoots and kills another a homicide investigation takes place. It may be determined to be justified but just the same its a criminal investigation.
2. Once that is over the officers have the internal investigation to look forward to. EVERY decision they made will be examined in detail and compared to Park Police policy, the agreement Park Police entered into when then joined the Safe Street Task Force (which means the FBI will automatically examine the incident since it was an FBI managed task force), and the training that they received. These investigations are more open-ended because the officers have few rights in an internal investigation.
3. If they are determined to have followed the applicable policies, agreements, and training they are then faced with a nearly certain civil suit from the young man's family. Law enforcement officers are well aware that this will happen. (Continued…)
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With all of those things in mind I imagine what it is like to respond to a "man with a gun" call in a community that has admittedly been racked by violence and, by the remarks made here, is a dangerous place. Then to encounter the individual who a community member called in about a series of events transpires where the gun becomes visible. What fear must go through one's mind? "Will I see my baby tonight?" "Am I going to die here?"
As much as some may disagree there is NO requirement for law enforcement to first identify themselves before shooting. While the courts have continually said it is a "best practice" it has readily acknowledged that there are situations which develop so quickly that it is impossible. We have to entertain that this is a possibility.
These incidents are always hard on communities. But it seems clear that is was not a situation where law enforcement officers were looking for something to get into and things went bad. This isn't about officers approaching a young man standing at a bus stop, chasing him down, and then shooting him. This was a citizen summoning to the police to their community because they perceived a danger - a man with a gun. The police responded and encountered that man. By the statements of those that said they were present the gun became visible to the police and in a instant, a heartbeat, they had to make a decision about the threat posed to them in a community known for shootings, violence, and a disregard for the law.
I live in this community. I'm tired of the violence. I'm tired of children growing up expecting bloodshed as summer approaches. I sickened that five and six year olds can recount murder scenes. But I am also sick of the police who step up and protect my community being demonized. I don't find it acceptable to tell the police to wait until they are shot at, shot, punched, or otherwise harmed to defend themselves. Think back to the two women who have lost their lives because police delayed their actions. What is law enforcement supposed to do? Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
In the end there are so many lives damaged by what happened. But in the end it can be traced back to one unfortunate choice. This young man, a son, a friend, possessed a handgun and handled it in a manner that made a member of our community fearful. The police did their job and confronted him. Tragically it ended with this son, this friend, dead. It has also forever changed the lives of these police officers. Not until we, as a community, make it taboo to "strap on," will things change.
To all those affected you are in my and my family's prayer.
Trinidad Resident says:
To Anonymous 4:58:00 PM:
You can shut the hell up to. Us voicing our frustrations on here is a mere fact that we are NOT desensitized about violence or death. The fact that this guy had a gun (a gun that was probably obtained by another act of violence)is a crime. As tragic as this maybe, he is not a victim in this case. His family will mourn his loss greatly, as they would have been in the court room supporting him and giving character testimony for a reduced sentence if he had committed a crime with that gun.
BRAVO to whomever that person was that called the Police. They need an award.
Shame? Shame on you for defending people carrying guns that are being used to kill INNOCENT people in their own neighborhoods. You go and talk to all the vitims on the other end of these "criminals". Yes this guy was a crimingal, for the fact that he was walking around with a gun. That's a crime! He just got caught yesterday.
My thoughts go out to the family members and friends of the deceased.
A few people mentioned a topic that is so overlooked by everyone in society today. That topic is risk. We often feel invincible, driving an SUV without a seatbelt, using a saw without safety goggles. People today forget to think about the consequences of their actions. I am sure this individual would not have had a gun if he knew he was going to be shot by the police last night. He misinterpreted the risk inherent with possessing a gun in a major city. The officers had every right to shoot if they thought the risk to their personal safety was at unacceptable levels. Again, people need to understand risk and the possible consequences associated with risky behavior.
I wish people in my neighborhood would take the time to reassess the amount of risk they are willing to accept in their lives. To me, if you walk out of your house with a gun you are looking for a gun fight.
On a side note, I was somewhat shocked at the lack of details regarding the shooting. It sounds like one of the posters knows for a fact that the individual did not have a gun in his hand. If that is the case, then perhaps this individual still posed an unacceptable risk due to his proximity to the gun on the ground or his refusal to give up. Only time will answer those questions.
I live in this community. I'm tired of the violence. I'm tired of children growing up expecting bloodshed as summer approaches. I sickened that five and six year olds can recount murder scenes. But I am also sick of the police who step up and protect my community being demonized. I don't find it acceptable to tell the police to wait until they are shot at, shot, punched, or otherwise harmed to defend themselves. Think back to the two women who have lost their lives because police delayed their actions. What is law enforcement supposed to do? Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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@Anonymous@5:46:
I couldn't have expressed myself better. Thanks for your eloquent post.
"NO one has the ultimate saying of what is RIGHT OR WRONG."
I call BS on moral relativism. I don't know how you were raised, but my parents taught me right from wrong.
I not only have the ability to judge right from wrong, I have the DUTY to do so; as does every member of civilized society - in their own behavior as well as that of others.
And for the record: If someone saw the gun, and called the cops... he wasn't "carrying" the gun, he was BRANDISHING it. His behavior was an overt threat to every living thing in the effective range of whatever caliber he was carrying.
Personally, I'm glad no innocents were hurt... this time.
We should give kudos to the police officers who responded. If I call 911 because I see someone with a gun near my house, I want to be confident that the police will respond and take away the threat to my family. Law abiding citizens have a right to live in Trinidad. I'm so tired of people making excuses for thugs who make all of us live in fear.
i echo the person above that said they're glad that the feds are helping our local police. I've long said that the ATF should send recruits to Trinidad career training.
I don't get it. 8 or 9 people people killed in Trinidad last year and the community is yelling, "Where are the police!? The police don't care about us!" DCPD begins check points around Trinidad and we hear, "Get the police out of my neighborhood. This is unconstitutional!" Now the police shoot a man who drops a gun and bends down to pick it up and the residents riot. What in the fuck do you people in Trinidad want? This is just crazy. Are there any sane people left in Trinidad? And for the person that lost their friend, the man running with a gun that they "should have shot in the leg," maybe you can find some better friends now. Good work DCPD!
I've heard two conflicting news reports about what happened. One is that someone called the police because someone was running through the alley with a gun. The other is that the police and FBI were in the neighborhood looking for the person who was shot. But we may never know. The police have been ordered not to talk to the media. Even the Chief of MPD
Debbie
i personally don't think law enforcement should have guns at all for numerous reasons: (1) law enforcement in several other industrialized countries are able to get along fairly well with a patrolling police force that does not use handguns (2) the use of handguns presents the possibility of stray shots hitting citizens, mistaken shootings, excessive force and other similar issues (3) the presence of firearms allows for the option to fatally wound someone in a high stress situation where a cooler head may have thought of a non-fatal solution
i'm a HUGE advocate of law enforcement dialin back usage of firearms in favor of less lethal alternatives. the taser gun is problematic (and doesn't work well as a long range option) but after roughly 150 years of police departments in this country, i find it mind-boggling that no one has thought of a non-lethal way to subdue a threatening suspect. the goal of our police force is to "bring people to justice". that puts a premium on having the person alive to stand trial. more importantly, mistakes in the field where guns are involved are fatal and final. there's no criminal appeal from death...better a wrongful conviction than a wrongful killing.
i don't understand how fatal shootings can occur over and over and there is no serious public discourse about taking lethal alternatives out of the equation.
i have heard of emerging non-fatal crowd control technology in this vein...
for that matter, why no use rubber bullets? stopping power floors just about anyone, regardless of size. they do fracture bones, but the person lives
ps: for those who wonder why there is community outrage towards police shootings: it is most likely because police shootings, no matter how many potentially incriminating facts are present, rarely lead to prosecutors even filing charges (or only filing less serious charges than the heaviest charges possible). whereas when an ordinary citizen kills and ordinary citizen in any scenario, the full weight of the law is applied. i once read of a case where an officer shot an unarmed man 16 times in the back of the head as he laid face down with his hands behind his back, according to several third party witnesses...that led to no conviction. people are outraged because they feel like no act by the police will EVER lead to a homicide conviction, no matter how damning the circumstances. this is a serious flaw in our legal system. every citizen should act under the belief that their actions have potential legal consequences, including police officers.
Soul Searcher - i think that is the stupidest post i've read on this blog. You would take guns away from police officers and have them use non lethal methods?! So do you think the thugs in cities and towns across the U.S. would lay down their guns as well?! I'm sure the thugs in Trinidad will also trade in their firearms in favor of rubber bullets, just so its a fair fight. I cant even begin to express how stupid of an idea that is. And where is this mythical place where police dont have guns? Foolishness. Complete foolishness.
Trinidad Resident says:
Soul Searcher you should shut the hell up as well.
Are you serious that your main concern is taking away guns from the cops?
Answer these:
Do you think the criminals are walking around with guns to protect themselves from police, or from other criminals like themselves?
Do you think people who own guns in their homes is to protect them from police or from criminals?
Who do you think fire more gun shots on the streets of DC, criminals or police?
We the citizens needs to be more concern that these criminals are walking around our neighborhoods with guns and are willing to use them with out thinking about stray bullets etc.
law enforcement in several other industrialized countries are able to get along fairly well with a patrolling police force that does not use handguns
I think this is a bit naive. I can only speak about Great Britain, but yes, beat officers don't carry handguns. The point you're missing is that British police have special tactical units who *are* armed. If someone sees you with a gun, those guys'll get called in, and they will more than likely shoot you dead.
British police are becoming armed in greater numbers as guns are becoming more prevalent among the criminal class over there.
Just Saying:
"Trinidad Resident says:
To Anonymous 4:58:00 PM:
You can shut the hell up to."
"Shame? Shame on you for defending people carrying guns that are being used to kill INNOCENT people in their own neighborhoods."
First, my post was not intended to defend the deceased IF he was wrong...as I stated before I don't know if he was right or wrong. However, there is a line that is crossed when people tend to refer to the slain as a "Thug", "Killer" etc and express their happiness at his death. How do you know he was a thug??? Or was attempting to kill someone??? Let's not jump the gun. Obviously, the young man deserves benefit of the doubt due to the pending investigation. As human beings we should never rejoice at the death of someone. Now, the violence and fear that is terrorizing Trinidad's residents is horrible and I empathize with those that want safer streets. But to prejudge someone BEFORE the investigation successfully reveals cops reacted within policy is wrong. I think we should all be careful of labeling someone a "thug", a "menace" or whatever simply because "your past experiences with a Black man carrying a gun" tells you the deceased was "up to no good". I mean, that same judgement is what leads to stereotypes against African-Americans and the like that do not reflect the total population. Be careful with that. As I stated before, I'm not sure if the slain did something to provoke his death. However, slurs against the deceased is disrespectful and trivial in light of the bigger picture.
Soul searcher: the nations that have successfully deployed non-armed police officers also happen to be nations where the gun ownership among the citizenry is much lower than in the U.S. No police officer in their right mind would actively patrol Trinidad or other problem areas of DC without a firearm.
Also your argument about homicide convictions is laughable and not grounded in fact. There are numerous law enforcement officers who ended up behind bars because of convictions related to excessive force.
That is the price you pay when you're carrying and/or flashing an illegal firearm in DC. Especially after what happened last summer.
PLEASE_READ ME 123:
What the media doesnt tell you...
the "alley" as it is called..is not some dark and lonley secret pathway..ITS HUGE enough for two cars to drive through...its adjacent to peoples back patios and car ports. Its at holbrook and morse..and it runs into the next street over.
YES..he did have a gun, WRONG..point IT WAS NOT IN HIS HAND it was ON THE GROUND..he was NOT running He was shot right outside of his car.
Yes police may have threatened but threatened enough to shoot NINE TIMES..9 bullet holes..9 exit wounds..without seeing a weapon in the suspects hand, I understand shooting but to the excess of 9 times?? SHOOT TO KILL?? WOW..
Yes thats one less gun off the street, everyone REJOICES one less "thug" in trinidad..but because you carry a gun are you a thug..yes its dumb..but I dont know i guess im just disturbed that the same amount of emphasis that he there was a gun isnt put on the fact that SOMEONE DIED..a LIFE WAS LOSS..and ethically..or even biblically, thug, politician, or doctor a LIFE IS A LIFE..
The fact that others are belittling one another by saying your dumb, you're a fool, or shut the hell up..UNCALLED FOR..everyone is entitled to an opinion..
He was a WONDERFUL man, he was a provider, he made sure if he had it, his family wanted for NOTHING..he NEVER KILLED a person in his life....he may have made some wrong decisions to where he thought he needed protection but to those who are saying ONE LESS THUG..maybe you should be happy..maybe he would have took out 10 less thugs in your neighborhood if thats YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN..
Yes Trinidad is plagued with violence and it sucks, but y is it that only a HANDFUL of people showed up at the town hall meeting last night to voice their concerns or their being pleased that such action was taken. Its real easy to talk annoymously behind a computer screen.
Someone was KILLED, not wounded KILLED..this is tearing me up inside and everyone is just being so mean about the whole situation..
His flesh and blood is sitting in a puddle in that "ally" in trinidad surrounded by candles and teddy bears and all ppl can say is GOOD RIDDANCE..that is killing me on the inside..
I think God took Trey because, there are 15 or 30 or 100 more men in Trinidad who needed to get their life together and God knew Trey served his time, wasnt perfect, but was perfect for his plan. These men had to see some1 they can relate to go down this way, so they could change and not go down the same way...God sometimes sacrafices 1 to save many..and unfortunatley it had to be someone alot of us knew and LOVED with all our HEARTS..
So I understand where alot of these frustrated bloggers are coming from but also take into consideration where ppl on the other side are coming from as well..
He Loved his fitted's, he loved his g/f and his family, he was trying to get out of the street but certain aspects wouldnt let him go. His smile was beautiful, his laugh was infectous, he was polite, and his favorite saying was "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME", he was like a dad to some of us because through what many of you would call his stupidity still yet there was wisdom, and like a brother to others.. im sorry that his only remaining potrayal is in the media as a thug, and I just wish everyone knew him like we did...RIP TREY..gone but not forgotten!!
Trinidad Resident says:
Like I said, the same way you are on this blog defending his character, is the same way you would be in the court room seeking leniancy if he committed a crime with that same gun. Where the support for him when everyone knew perhaps he was walking around carrying guns? where was the encouragement for him to do better and to change? \
I hope the other 10, 15 30 100 others that are living/considering living a dangerous life learn from this. unfortunately I don't think that they will since their focus seems to only be on the fact that he was killed by a police. Probably the best way, that way we wouldn't have a summer of retaliation shootings.
the alley is an alley. it is dark. it is trash strewn and it most certainly is not big enough for two cars. i look out my back window on it every day and these are not debatable facts.
Trinidad resident:
How do you know there was no encouragement for him to do better and to change..how do you know those of us who were encouraging him INDEFINATLEY knew he was carrying around a gun..NOT GUNS but a GUN..(not that one or many really matter)but just couldnt quite get through to him to the extent we all wanted..
But the point is..everyone keeps saying suppose this and suppose that, but we would meet certain crossroads only if those are the circumstances that actually happened..if a CRIME with that same gun HAD been committed then we would have been starting a totally different blog that would be about a CRIMINAL who comitted a CRIME with a gun..AND DESERVES punishement based on that crime, I TOTALLY would understand and agree with that. But we will only get to that crossroad if thats what HAPPENS. This blog should be about a young man deemed a criminal because his crime was having a gun illegally. Whether one would have turned into the other NO ONE KNOWS so lets focus on WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED..unfortunatley his punishment (death sentence)didnt meet the crime this time..
If you ACTUALLY DO live in Trinidad..you've probably lived in Trinidad so long now that everything you say has to have a negative air about it because thats what you've become accustomed to. You know the mentality of alot of these young men in Trinidad, and you probably dont see much change or expect it either...
But to you Trinidad Resident I just want to say even if ONE or TWO men change from this unfortunate circumstance its something I will shout and PRAISE GOD for..I am not blogging to argue with you nor anyone else..But im sorry that you feel so much anger..and I too hope Trinidad can be a better place one day without the cost of many more lives..if not hopefully you'll get the opportunity to move to a better area.
But in closing to second what was said before..RIP "TREY"..God bless his family..and God BLESS all the young ppl of Trinidad..
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Tim...I really think this is debatable..the alley is not AS BAD as you're painting it..DUH there is some trash back there..its ppls BACK yards where they put their plastic trashcans..!! Not because its some run down alley..I wish i could upload a pic of where it happened so ppl could see it and make their own judgements about how "suspicious" ppl may think it looked..based on what their hearing..
How about today I bring two cars through and take a picture to show you.."while you watch from your back window.." you'll know who I am when I get there Ill be the one measuring the alley!!
"if a CRIME with that same gun HAD been committed then we would have been starting a totally different blog that would be about a CRIMINAL who comitted a CRIME with a gun..."
Well, since public possession of a handgun is illegal in DC, we are talking about a criminal who committed a crime.
Let's start from this point: if you have a gun in public in DC, there is a very, very good chance that you will be shot by someone.
We can mourn the dead, but that's the bottom line.
Blaming the police for this man being shot is like blaming the automakers because your friend was driving 120 mph on the Beltway and flipped his car. You might as well ask "Why do the racist automakers kill our (25 y.o) children with impunity??"
He was playing with a lit match and got burned. It was tragic. We all wish he'd made different choices. Until I see compelling evidence to the contrary, though, I'm going to respect the police for doing a very difficult job.
Trinidad Resident says:
Well then maybe you should talk about the negative side of this person as well instead of trying to paint a rosey picture about how much he loved fitted's, gf etc. Appartenly he like guns to. Sounds to me that YOU guy failed him. Not society, not the police, but his loved ones.
Thats all I'm saying.
You said he didn't commit any crimes- Well for the fact alone that you didn't know he carried a gun, you can't sit here and say he never committed a crime. Maybe he have and just never gotten caught. Would be curious to see if the gun confiscated is tied to any other crimes...
I live in Trinidad and yes I want it to change for the better. I personally don't live in fear because most of the violence in Trinidad are crews against crews, prostitutes, drug dealers etc, pretty much those that are living risky lifestyles), and hardly ever against some random person.
I wish this much anger was also shared when Joe Bloe shoots John Doe, but instead no one ever sees or knows anything. But yet a police shoots someone and the neighborhood comes out in the 100's to protest. I wonder how many of those guys hate each other but united just for that one moment. I'm sure they'll be back to beefing by weeks end. Why? because they think it's cool and they know that if they shoot someone- that the community won't turn them in. Don't blame the police and the few residents that want to creat a safe environment, blame yourselves for protecting these criminals and not reporting them to police.
"ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME"
Spoken like a true sociopath.
Maybe he should have taken a lesson from how Tupac died instead of blindly quoting him...
As a parent..I want to ask all the bloggers this question...
and I want you to search DEEP down before you answer...
For those who feel whether the gun was worth him being shot and killed or maybe just shot or punished in any other way....
If it had been someone you knew intimatley, your son, or your daughter maybe..
Shot 9 times IN THE BACK..dies 30 minutes later..despite his crime at hand..and despite whether the police are blamed are not..do you still sit with NO SYMPATHY for the victim or that which would be your own family...
Is everyone like "YES..ANOTHER ONE OUT OF HERE..on our way to safer streets"..because we are assuming he was just like all the others?? Is whatI have been reading defining this crime as... Point blank possesion of a gun HE was dumb and DESERVED TO DIE..cause hey he probably killed someone already or was going to anyways...??
Your son..your daughter...or even your bestfriend..Would you all still blog and see it the same way?? Can anyone understand points of both sides??
Just Curious..
Soul Searcher -- that was the most ridiculous post I have read on here .... ever.
You couldn't do what a DC cop does .. not even for five minutes. It's clear you have no understanding of the job or what it entails but like so many other people, you have a (worthless) opinion.
Do yourself a favor and do a ride along with MPD … hell do five. Then come back here with your opinion.
Well a few issues in response to your post, Anon 3:53:
1) I don't think anyone is celebrating this man's death as any sort of victory. I think the backlash and vitriol you are seeing here is more directed at the members of the community that are up in arms that the police shot him at all--as though it's somehow not okay to use deadly force when faced with a gun--and not directed at his family/friends for being understandably upset. It's less a matter of "one more off the streets" as it's that it is simply not surprising that someone willing to brandish a gun would end up being shot by the cops.
2) You ask us to put ourselves in your shoes--but that's completly NOT what we should be doing. Your emotional connection to the issue is clouding your ability to see the larger picture.
Bearing in mind that the facts are still fuzzy on this whole matter, the point of this discussion is that the community is responding in anger using reasoning, such as yours, that he "didn't deserve to die simply for the crime of carrying a gun". That is NOT the point. He didn't get killed in retaliation FOR him having a gun---his having a gun is what put him in a position where he was a threat to the community and the officers that responded, and, therefore, in a position to be shot/killed.
3) Finally, you should realize that if somehow it comes out that this is indeed one of the RARE situations where the cops simply shot a young black man with no justification, I think you will see a similar level of outrage from ALL members of the community. The difference is, however, since you have an emotional attachment to this situation, you are quicker to blame the cops and suspect THEIR wrongdoing, whereas we (those in the community that didn't know the victim) are quicker to believe that HE was in the wrong.
And, sorry to say it, but the statistics are just WAY on our side here. It is FAR less likely that there was blatant police misconduct here than it being a legitimate reponse to a perceived threat. Yet, some in the black community here seem bafflingly so much more willing to accept the LEAST likely scenario immediately, again, before the facts have been discovered.
Ask YOURSELF--which is the more rational response--believing the more likely scenario or the less likely one?
"As a parent..I want to ask all the bloggers this question..."
I'd mourn the loss...
but DEEP down? I'd realize I'd failed in my responsibility in raising him.
Maybe if someone HAD judged him... maybe if he HAD the sense to listen... you wouldn't be asking the rest of us these questions.
Trinidad Resident says: to Anon 3:53
Unfortunately many arents hate to accept that they have failed their kids. Thats why you see over and over again, Parents crying on the news swearing their child was a good child. Thats cause they feel ashame and know that they failed their own child. They now realize it's to late now to be the parent they needed to be and it haunts them. So they now swear on the hopes for the person they WATNED their child to be, but not the person their child TURNED out to be all because of the lack of parenting.
Thats why you see parents flood the court rooms to support their kids even after they've killed someone, being their gives their support gives them a sense that they are being a good parent, when leading up to this they were not.
Yes parents hate to understand that they have failed their kids. Tell me when do you ever see a parent say my son killed someone, lock him up and throw away the key. When?
I think I've acknowledge that a life loss is always tragic from my first posting.
The only way 2 cars are fitting in the alley is if they are smart cars, and even then I'd make sure to check my insurance before I tried it. I park in my driveway off this alley...I am intimately familiar with the size of it.
I walk my giant dog around the block every day, never do I use the alley. It certainly isn't a pit of death, but there is nothing inviting about it whatsoever.
Just Saying:
"Finally, you should realize that if somehow it comes out that this is indeed one of the RARE situations where the cops simply shot a young black man with no justification, I think you will see a similar level of outrage from ALL members of the community. The difference is, however, since you have an emotional attachment to this situation, you are quicker to blame the cops and suspect THEIR wrongdoing, whereas we (those in the community that didn't know the victim) are quicker to believe that HE was in the wrong"
The fact that some of you possess such a deep desire to simply be right in this situation is disturbing. Bottom line...both sides are biased. The "community" is biased because their experiences lead them to believe the young man aka "thug" as many of you say got what he deserved. However, many of you weren't there and really don't know much then what you want to believe or have been given my the media. The family and friends of the deceased is also biased because, most likely, their emotions trumps much else right now (and this is understandable). the fact that some of you are making assumptions about how he was raised, his relatives "failing" him etc. etc. is...well...psychotic. Try to keep a leveled head and not let your frustrations over the violence in your community cloud reason. And to the family and friends that continue to blog here, I wouldn't even continue to read or respond to many of these bloggers...it isn't helpful, comforting or relative to the fact that your loved one is gone. I hope the police performing the investigation will bring you the much needed closure I'm sure you desire as I heard not much was resolved at the meeting last night. And to the rest...you really can't express yourself adequately without bringing emotional distress to others?? Everyone has an opinion, but many are using the word "opinion" to disguise some hatred via this blog. But I'll pray for ya. Peace.
I concede that the young man who died had good characteristics and people that loved him - but so does everyone from Ghandi to the most hardened criminals. I'm sure Al Capone had loved ones, members of Al Queda, Bonnie & Clyde - any other criminal you can name probably has/had someone whom they loved dearly and who loved them. That doesnt mean they should be excused from their crimes or not reap the consequence of their actions.
To all those who say "what if he were in your family" - what if this had happened:
Someone sees a man with a gun and calls the police, the police come, let the man get away with the gun(because they dont shoot) and then that man shoots and kills someone in YOUR family. You would be OUTRAGED that the police did not take steps to ensure that the person running with a gun was stopped from killing your family member.
anon at 7:53 says: Soul Searcher - i think that is the stupidest post i've read on this blog. You would take guns away from police officers and have them use non lethal methods?!
first off, anon 7:53, learn a bit about civilized discourse. resorting to adjectives like "stupidest" to describe an opposing argument is juvenile.
two, i have more faith in the ability of police to handle confrontations non-fatally than you apparently do. in case you didn't realize, MPD happen to be one of the best trained police forces in the world when it comes to non-lethal crowd control. we're not talking about gunfights here, as it is very rare that a police officer encounters an armed suspect and "shoots it out". in fact, it is virtually unheard of in this city specifically and nationally. do some research before you pull out all the extra punctuation and hyperbole. MPD very well could design non-lethal alternatives to suspect apprehension, if they wanted to...like i said, there are other countries with armed criminals where patrolling police do not carry firearms (i did not mention specialized forces, by the way). how many patrolling officers in great britain get killed by armed suspects? since you doubt the possibility of what i suggest, do the research and find out.
> And where is this mythical place where police >dont have guns? Foolishness. Complete >foolishness.
i could name multiple countries. great britain is one, japan is another. but you could also use google. i support an informed electorate.
Jun 10, 2009 7:53:00 AM
> Anonymous said...
>Trinidad Resident says:
>Soul Searcher you should shut the hell up as well.
>Are you serious that your main concern is taking >away guns from the cops?
i never said that was my main concern.
one of my main concerns is the failure of our school system to teach reading comprehension, however.
>Answer these:
>Do you think the criminals are walking around >with guns to protect themselves from police, or >from other criminals like themselves?
i don't know any criminals, nor have i read empirical data on the subject. further, this is not a counterargument as why police can't find some, any, non-fatal alternative to apprehending suspects. by this argument above, police should not bother to use billy clubs, mase, tasers etc because criminals have guns...you do realize how nonsensical your counterargument is, right?
>Do you think people who own guns in their >homes is to protect them from police or from >criminals?
ditto. why citizens carry guns has nothing to do with police finding NF ways to apprehend suspects
>Who do you think fire more gun shots on the >streets of DC, criminals or police?
ditto. this doesn't matter either.
to oboe:
i wasnt talking about tactical units, i was talking about patrolling officers. i made the distinction deliberately. i don't think officers who patrol regularly in civilian areas need the option for fatal force.
i don't even think gun possession in and of itself should result in a gunfight. this is a dangerous precedent and is the type of thing that often leads officers to shoot ONE ANOTHER, as just recently happened in NYC.
and british police becoming more armed isn't making violent crime drop proportionately in GB, so
how is that a counterargument? that just means they were going in the right direction and decided to about face, with no tangible benefits to the populace safety-wise.
Jun 10, 2009 9:42:00 AM
Jun 10, 2009 10:10:00 AM
to ro
police officers follow orders. if they are ordered to use non-fatal alternatives, they will. period.
cite one conviction and then produce numbers of incident-to-conviction ratio to back up your argument. my point was the ratio was low. if you can prove me wrong on the ratio, do so. if not, you have no argument.
and i was specifically talking about homicide convictions, by the way
Dear SS,
I think you should join the DC police department and then take your dumbass out on the beat in Trinidad without a gun. Lets see how long you last before you give up this silly ass notion that law enforcement should stop carrying firearms.
How about showing us a country with similar violence to the US and still uses non violent methods?
My response to your post may have been juvenile, but its true - yours was a stupid statement. Stupid and naive. Its laughable to say that DC cops should face down these thugs with nothing but rubber bullets.
I am as liberal as the next DC resident, but lets be reasonable. This is the kind of foolishness that makes people think liberals are crazy..."lets take away guns from police officers to be nicer to criminals..."
Sincerely,
Anon 7:53
The anonymous (Jun 10, 2009 8:33:00 AM) poster who keeps telling everybody to "shut the hell up" rocks. Love the passion.
As a member of MPD, Soul Searcher is extremely naive to think that there's any way that an officer can do his job in a city like DC without one. Officers are assaulted and injured almost every day and our weapon is a crucial tool to protect ourselves.
As for this shooting, I'll wait until I hear details before I sit in judgement of the Park Police.
Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I've heard rumors that the victim may have been on the verge of getting indicted in connection with more than one killing in the neighborhood.
It's always a tragedy when someone you dies. But we all have choices. Carrying a gun is illegal and a bad choice. It doesn't give cops free reign to shoot you. But it does put you in danger on multiple fronts. I don't know what happened the other night, but I'm hearing lots of different things. The most important thing, to me, is that people actually kept their cool . A friend forwarded me a report from Topix that purported to be from the Associated Press. The report claimed that there was roiting and looting in Trinidad. Becaue we believed the report to be untrue, we contacted the Associated Press. It doesn't appear that they actually issued such a report. It looks like some ass out there put out a report and claimed it came from the AP.
I'm really angry that some one did this. It reminded me of a statement a friend of mine made about how people have such low expectations for Blacks. The video aired by WUSA9, and the response from the police (large turn out and helicopters) show that there was legit concern about civil disturbance. But that is a far cry from claiming there were actual riots and looting (neither one of which actually occurred). I can't say for sure that this was what prompted the psuedo report, but come on. The idea of Blacks as aninmalistic, anf prone to violence is hardy a foreign concept in our society. But I think this false report can help highlight how offensive this idea really is in the end. We've got to all work together. I'm sad that this guy was shot. Even if my sources are true, and he was about to be indicted, that isn't a death sentence. I am sorry for his family and friends (perhaps his death can teach kids that guns are NOT the answer).I hope it was a clean shooting. I hope that any officers who rightly fired come to no harm, and can sleep soundly at night. I hope that we as a community can make Trinidad a better place to live. I hope most of all that we can offer our local youth a good future.
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To INKED and JUST SAYING: I believe well said..Kudos..I like your perspectives from both sides..spoken like true intellectuals...I hope the police release their findings soon from this investigation so we can all come to a firm conclusion of the situation..put this all at rest and move forward to prevent future occurances..
This may be off the topic but after reading all the posts I could not help but comment about the fact I am impressed with the quality of writing of most of the comments. You guys should be writers. Everyone seems very eloquent and educated. No grammatical errors, no spelling mistakes!! All so well written and this coming from residents of H-st NE. Impressive indeed.
i wasnt talking about tactical units, i was talking about patrolling officers. i made the distinction deliberately. i don't think officers who patrol regularly in civilian areas need the option for fatal force.
Fair enough. My point was just that--in this case, with early reports claiming that someone "called in" a sighting of a handgun--the tactical unit would have been deployed, and the deceased would have been *more* likely to have been killed, not less.
where are all the comments disputing the rumors that Inked heard about how "the victim may have been on the verge of getting indicted in connection with more than one killing in the neighborhood." ???
It seems we should hear something about how those are false rumors considering how fiercely the young man was being defended in earlier posts.
I am tired of the discussion. This person had a gun - a crime. White, black, red, purple, he should not have a gun in a city. He started a gun fight that he could not finish. I praise and thank the police that responded. Not many people have the courage to defend an otherwise defenseless area of DC. Our neighborhood is safer without this individual.
Harsh words, but necessary. :(
Tomorrow night at 7PM there will be a prayer vigil on Holbrook street. All are welcome.
A couple of facts. The young man who was killed on Holbrook street was 24 years old. His birthday was August 9th. He weighed 153 pounds. He was shot 7 times by multiple police officers. 2 shots hit him in his upper right chest area at extremely close range. The subsequent 5 shots all hit him in the back, right buttock,and back thigh. He was handcuffed after being killed. He never had a weapon in his hand. He attempted to flee. The park police who shot Trey Alexander Joyner maced 1 resident and pointed shotguns at several other residents after the shooting instructing them to "get the fuck back on your steps". One of those residents was a certified female nurse who witnessed the incident with her mother. There has been no crisis intervention team in the community. MPD is currently conducting the investigation of the Park Police, an agency with greater jurisdication than they have. MPD was in the the room when Trey's autopsy was conducted and currenty have the five bullets taken from his body. Two of the bullets passed through his body completely and have not been recovered. MPD is conducting the balistics test. 1 homicide officer from MPD is conducting the investigation. There remains several eyewitnesses who are waiting to provide their accouts to this officer. Funeral arrangements are being arranged by Trey Alexander's mother at a churh in South East. The family is seeking funds to pay for his burial. Trey had no health or life insurance policies. He attended Woodson Senior high school and was a life long resident of the District of Columbia.
Thank you to the annymous 11:25am. Apart from the gun disputes and blaming of the police and such its nice to hear about a few things that arent disputable concerning this case..RIP to the young man who died...and bless those who are still in the streets..hopefully working towards a change..
Guess what...carrying an illegal firearm should not be an option. Selling drugs, or whatever else being a "provider" means, should not be an option. These situations all lead to premature death: by cop, rival, friend, etc. If you choose that situation, you are inviting the consequences. It isn't just that they are illegal, but they are morally indefensible. If it was my son I would have dealt with the grief of losing my child to porr decisions well before i mourn the loss of his life resulting from those poor decisions. And before you argue the moral uncertainty of "providing" and protecting yourself with a weapon (also was he or was he not facing indictment?)...take all of your relativism and throw it out of the window. There is right and there is wrong. Right includes following the law and preserving human life. We have deputized the police to maintian the law and preserve our collective human lives through the establishment of order. If this individual broke the law, and in so doing posed a potential threat to other human life...then his dispatch was warranted. Not ideal, not happy, not pleasant, but warranted. i hope this death proves the lesson that poor decision making results in poor outcomes.
white people why are yall so evil and racist, a man is dead, and u can care less, he has family members that r posting and u r so mean and disrespectfull that u keep posting insulting comments. i dont give a damn that he had a gun, u have to protect yourself out here. white people have more guns than anybody so stop being hypocritical and racist, thats a constitutional right to bear arms. when u live in a violent neighborhood u have to do what u have to do. anybody with common sense can understand that. im going to go a step further thats a human right to protect yourself every man women or child has that right. most of u secretly hate black people. u think that we r beneath u,so its impossible for u to show compassion when a black person dies, u would show more compassion 2 a dog before u show sympathy 4 a black person. but u r supposed to be so progressive and civilized, why u r just like your cruel and murderous forefathers who slaughtered the indians and enslaved, brutalized and persecuted black people for centuries, ur just in a position where u dont have to do the lynching, your wicked police force does it 4 u, the sad part about it your are the main ones smiling in our face but behind our back u hate us with a strong passion, u wish we would all just up and move back to africa so that u can turn trinidad into a fake ass georgetown or dupont circle.
my mother always told me if u cant say something to a persons face dont say anything at all. i will repeat myself face 2 face to any of u greedy, black hearted cowardly racist devils, and i call u devils because i cant call u saints, only devils cheer when a unarmed man is murdered in cold blood, only devils ,beleive wholeheartedly what the media says without questioning, thats what idiots do, believe everything they here, r u that damn stupid or r u just that damn racist, i dont even know trey but my heart goes out to his family and friends, that could have easily been someone i knew, theres no excuse for killing a unarmed man, plus he had his back turn and was running away, that is the sickest thing ive ever heard of and for people to justify why hes dead and commend officers for such a horrible deed shows how sick u truly r. i know most of u heartless devils just like to argue but this is not the time or place, show some damn respect for the Trey's loved ones, u know better than that. u wouldnt want anybody to do that to u if your friend or family member was shot execution style by the police. there is not going to be any investigation, there never is, they'll fabricate some false story, sweep the truth under the rug, and go on with there lives as if nothing happend, they'll get away scott free like they always do, how can a currupt police force be trusted to investigate itself thats just retarded, whoever still believes that all police are honest, noble and virtuous are truly out of there mind, your living in a fantasy world snap out of it, the reality is most of them are corrupt, they work for a hypocritical and sinister government, the war in iraq prime example, they dont value human life so killing a black man is like stepping on ants its nothing. so being the hatefull, nerdy, i have to get the last word kind of people that u r i know your gonna reply to what i said like a sucker would, but deep down inside u know im telling the truth, your foolish pride will be your demise, Gods wrath is reserved for u and your satanic country that u love so much, god raised u up to destroy u, just like he did ancient egypt, to show that he is all powerfull and to bring his people closer to him, i just laugh at u ,your so worried about occupying trinidad u dont even know whats going on forreal, oh yeah for the record not all white people r devils just most of the ones i met. theres some decent ones, theres decent and theres degenerates in every so called race, so in conclusion keep being cynical and selfish and cruel thats what u do best, your miserable inside forreal, with all your technology and material possessions ,your still pathetic and miserable inside, i feel sorry for u, ill pray 4 ya but it probably wont help your utter destruction is gods will.....rest in peace Trey, another beautiful and strong black brother lost at the hands of the american nightmare
Before the racist banter continues, I wanted to express my condolences for EVERYONE involved. Trey's family should not have to endure the suffering that occur in the wake of this tragedy. The police officers and their families will have to endure the pain and hardship that goes with being an officer of the court, despite talks of whites carring all the guns, and the court taking a blind eye to white cops, and my heart goes out to them as well.
Whether things happened the way it has been reported (man running away from cops with a gun, etc.), OR the way some in the community would paint it (unarmed man, cold blood, racist cops, etc.), I hope ALL will recognize that this is a point for change in our city. Nothing will get better if things stay the same here, that much is clear. My hope is that one day, men in this city will not have a need to arm themselves illegally to cause such questionable events
Those two anonymous post were pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself. That is exploiting a horrible situation to progress your own hate-mongering, rhetoric. Your actual blindness manifests in how ignorant and weak-minded your views are. The hypocrisy of decrying someone else's racism by putting forward racist, hatist views is too sad to even be laughable. You keep those embarrassing views and you will find yourself in the same wasted-life position that is being analyzed here. Finally, this is not "Trey's family" blog. Your inability to open your views to other vantage points is where your frustration ultimately comes from. This is the forum for open discourse. Don't try and stifle that, because you are too ignorant to comprehend.
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