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Robbery (Force and Violence) 2309 hours 13th Street and H Street, NE _L/O for B/M wearing a black hat with black jens and shirt DO NOT TAKE ACTION CALL 911 W/EVENT #1200100198926
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I don't know whether it is a blessing or a curse that I read about news like this on this blog. It is good that I remain aware that there are violent crimes occurring literally a block from my house. But on the other hand, in the 2 years I have lived here, I have yet to witness any crime first-hand. So, I sort of feel insulated from it. Then I read this blog, and I start worrying about my wife walking around the neighborhood. I love living here and have no plans to move, but it is hard to not get worried when you read things like this. Hell...we walked past 13th and H on our way home from checking out the Star and Shamrock last night.
I don't know...
I'm in the same boat as you. I've lived in trinidad for over 5 years now and have not witnessed a single crime yet. It could be because I live here and know the area well and know which areas to avoid.
I think it would be silly to live in a neighborhood that indeed has violent crime (welcome to DC!) and try to ignore it. Know your surroundings, make smart decisions, be aware!
I love this neighborhood, but I decided to live here accepting that, for all its amenities, there is a greater chance of being robbed or having my car broken into than if I lived somewhere else. This isn't "just accepting" crime, this is accepting the reality of conditions on the ground. Getting robbed isn't necessarily the end of the world anyway, at the very least you get a story out of it.
For me, the details of the crime are often more important than the crime itself.
Did the offender and the victim know one another? Did the offender use force/violence to obtain possession of the money/property? Or was the use of force/violence a consequence of the victim resisting? What was the nature of the force/violence?
Anon 11:07: A story that if you are fortunate to be alive to tell
Seconded on not on parker's questions. I was mugged at 11 & G in February just before 7 p.m. The guys simply approached me from behind and subdued me with a blow to the head; there were no overtures for my wallet or backpack. I'm curious if the circumstances of the violence here were similar.
@Anon 11:07: The story is all right, but certainly not worth the $5,000 hospital bill that came with it.
...there is a greater chance of being robbed or having my car broken into than if I lived somewhere else...
How wrong you are!
Theft from auto is a District-wide phenomenon! The 1600-blocks of 28th Street NW and 29th Street NW in Georgetown are notorious for smash/grabs. The 1400-block of N Street NW and the unit-block of Highland Terrance NW near Thomas Circle are litered with broken glass almost every morning. The 1200-blocks of V Street NW and W Street NW north of U Street NW had to institute a "flyer" program to reduce their theft problem. There are very, very few neighborhoods (even the most affluent areas) that don't have theft from auto problems.
Robbery is also a District-wide phenomenon...people are held up all over the place...Hill East, AdMo, Columbia Heights, Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Trinidiz-ad, Fort Totten, Southwest, the National Mall, Penn Quarter...
how much longer do we have to put up with this bullshit? Just wondering - are we allowed to carry registered guns with us outside in dc? Or is it stricly for residential use only?
$5,000 hospital bill? Did you get breast implants?
I live on the 700 block of 11th St NE and apparently there was gunfire here not too long ago. Yellow police tape is blocking off the entire block.
To Not on Parker - its best not to tell someone they are wrong and then proceed to back up your argument with a whole bunch of anecdotal evidence. Such as, I see broken glass on the ground in Logan Circle therefore there are just as many thefts from auto there as on H street!
Use some statistics or empirical studies!
Use some statistics or empirical studies!
Gladly! Using last summer as an example, between 06/01/09-09/01/09, these are the theft from auto statistics for PSAs relevant to our discussion:
PSA 102 (Near Northeast) - 103
PSA 206 (Georgetown) - 55
PSA 303 (Adams Morgan) - 58
PSA 305 (U Street) - 171
PSA 307 (Logan Circle) - 129
PSA 504 (Trinidad) - 69
Same time period for robberies, with and without guns:
PSA 102 (Near Northeast) - 45
PSA 206 (Georgetown) - 11
PSA 303 (Adams Morgan) - 36
PSA 305 (U Street) - 37
PSA 307 (Logan Circle) - 24
PSA 504 (Trinidad) - 40
Maycops: let's not get melodramatic, most robbers want money, not a murder rap.
Not on parker, your statistics would seem to support the statement that you are MORE likely to be a victim of certain crimes in PSA102 than in other neighborhoods. And you're not counting the burbs.
Not on parker, your statistics would seem to support the statement that you are MORE likely to be a victim of certain crimes in PSA102 than in other neighborhoods...
With the exception of some outliers, the statistical differences between these neighborhoods aren't significant enough to say "my car wouldn't get broken into if I lived elsewhere". Especially if the differences cannot be fully qualified!
Having lived on the 1400 block of N a few years ago, I can say that there wasn't more than one or two mornings when walking to work when I didn't see a car with its window smashed out.
I queried crimereports.com for some stats on robberies from 01 January - 31 March 2010.
Here are the robbery numbers for the areas surrounding the following addresses (using the default display returned on my screen; may vary w/ screen size):
14th & Park NW (Columbia Heights/DCUSA): 67
13th & U St NW (U St Corridor): 43
Georgia Ave NW & Quebec Pl NW (Petworth): 40
1 Dupont Circle NW (Dupont Circle): 26
1 Logan circle NW (Logan Circle): 32
12th & H st NE (H Street): 27
Bladensburg Road & Lang Place NE (Bburg Rd): 19
15th & W St SE (Anacostia): 16
Emily, I noticed the police tape blocking 11th St. from H to G earlier today too. I thought it was track work until I realized the entire block was taped off. Anyone know what was going on there?
Anonymous said...
Emily, I noticed the police tape blocking 11th St. from H to G earlier today too. I thought it was track work until I realized the entire block was taped off. Anyone know what was going on there?
Apr 20, 2010 3:12:00 PM
That's something to do with roadwork.
Total count of robberies is a famously misleading statistic. Adams-Morgan and U Street are usually cited as having more robbers per month or year than H Street does, yes. Adams-Morgan and U Street also have way way way way *WAY* more foot traffic -- probably by a factor of five at least. When you're considering what the likelihood of being robbed is, the number of robberies that have occurred is not sufficient information.
Not on Parker:
Smash and grabs are an urban issue worldwide where you have a lot of people walking by your car looking in. It's a numbers game. The more passerbys, the greater the chance of having your car broken into. In my DC neighborhood, there is very little sidewalk traffic, and thus we never have car break-ins.
Moral: If you are parking in an area with a lot of pedestrian traffic, keep valuable out of sight. Seems like common sense, but obviously some people lack it.
I learned long ago how to keep your car from being broken in to. Just clean it out. If someone can see that there is nothing inside, then they wont break into it.
not on parker,
For argument's sake, couldn't we also say that the lack of foot traffic in our budding nightlife district contributes greatly to the crime rate? I mean, H St's nightlife is very, very small compared to those other PSAs, yet there are more pedestrian crimes (I think I'm using that term right) here than others.
What I'm getting at is this: maybe when more places open and more people are on the main drag, less crimes will occur for fear of exposure.
As for violent crime, I've had two shootings on my block this month alone, one of which I hear was over a cheeseburger... I would like this to stop sooner than later as well.
Anyone want to guess when the first "all hands on deck" weekend will occur for the MPD?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/04/white_house_staffer_kalpen_mod.html?hpid=newswell
15th and S, NW
8th and el:
That theory makes sense, however statistics prove otherwise.
The majority of street crimes in this area are in high pedestrian areas: Adams Morgan, Columbia Hts, Old Town Alexandria, even Georgetown. H St has its share, but I would say it's proportionate to the relatively little street traffic there.
If you really want to get a good idea of what crime is actually being committed in the area and even scare yourself, look at www.crimereports.com.
If you really want to get a good idea of what crime is actually being committed in the area and even scare yourself, look at www.crimereports.com.
Hmmmm. True...voilent crime everywhere in DC. East of Rock Creek park that is!! What could these mean?
Not much violence in the burbs, except for several quality of life crimes. Cause and effect here? No quality of life reporting around H street. Maybe DC should change it's police tactics.
For 22 years, I lived in the inner city of Boston (south end) Philadelphia (Logan Square) and H Street. Philly was the worst for crime with DC second.
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